July 31, 2007
Leftist Conspiracy Theory or Satire? [Updatedx2]
Is this article real from the sick Left or sick satire from The Onion ?
NFL/Army Hero Pat Tillman?
It’s almost too depressing to mention again, but let’s recap the Pat Tillman revelations from Army medical examiners and internal Pentagon reports released last week and find out what happens when famous football stars turned Army Heroes become anti-war critics:▪ He was shot three times in the forehead at close range with an American M-16.
▪ This was after he was shot in the chest, legs and hand.
▪ And this was after he screamed to the “friendlies” that he was Pat Tillman and please stop shooting him.
▪ But they didn’t; they executed him.
▪ They were Americans...▪ In his writings — Tillman wrote constantly in letters and diaries and e-mails — the NFL star who became an Army Ranger after 9/11 had concluded the Afghanistan War was fake and the Iraq War was a criminal setup.
▪ The Pentagon still has his diary that he kept with him in Afghanistan, where he was killed, and they won’t release it to his family.....
It's real from the Left.
It's pretty sad when you mistake the wacko conclusions of the Left for a put-on from a satirical paper. It's pretty sad when the Left tries and fails to use logic to come up with plausible conspiracy theories. And, it's pretty sick when the Left taints the image of a dead soldier to further its politics of hate.
[Update]
Be sure to check out the comments of readers at the source of that article above.
'Hard not to agree that three rounds fired by the same shooter hitting in a neat pattern at the same point is impossible. How about three rounds from different shooters at different postions hitting simultaneously in nearly the identical place. Sound like a firing squad to me.''It saddens me to think that the military is so monolithically ignorant and hostile towards dissent. I don't support the war, and s--- like this makes it real hard to support the troops as well.'
'This story will be the turning point. Its so easily understood and so revolting on the most basic levels, if the Democrats are not able to package this in a way that the media can deliver in sound bites they have no hope as a party and we have no hope as a country.'
'I totally wish that his brother, who also enlisted and is also a total badass, would go ape-s--- on some civvies at the Pentagon and see how far they support the f------ troops. Bas--s. This p----s me off.'
'I assumed you were conservative because of the following:
From which I can tell your from Conroe Tx, probably also a good indicator of conservatism.'
(That last one was for G.M. and our Texas friends.)
These comments are from people who consider themselves intellectually superior to caveman conservatives and want to run everyone's lives. Did you know that Bush bombed the WTC and the New Orleans dikes, too?
[Update 2]
Do you think that the Left can't get any crazier? They're still at it with this next posting and the links at the bottom of it.
dept. of implausible denial
Rumsfeld: 'I Do Not Recall Ordering Hit On Pat Tillman'
Woody, those are the words of people that never carried a weapon nor heard a hostile round go off...
No one can begin to fathom the mass confusion that is called combats, even for those that have been there, it's almost beyond comprehension, and for the left it's called reality, and they can't handle reality...
Posted by TexasFred at July 31, 2007 05:54 PM
He was shot three times in the forehead at close range with an American M-16.
First off what is close range? From one of the sources (AntiWar) Wonkette listed: "The doctors – whose names were blacked out – said that the bullet holes were so close together that it appeared the Army Ranger was cut down by an M-16 fired from a mere 10 yards or so away."
Even if 10 yards is correct, this is not the same kind of close range as shooting at each other in your living room. I would think that the close grouping of the shots would not be a good indicator of the distance from which the shots were made. The condition of the bullets might be a better indicator.
How hard is it to group bullets close together?
From the Boy Scout requirement for a merit badge in rifle shooting: Using a .22 caliber rimfire rifle and shooting from a bench rest or supported prone position at 50 feet, fire five groups (three shots per group) that can be covered by a quarter. Using these targets, explain how to adjust sights to zero.
If Boy Scouts are expected to group shots close enough to be touched by a quarter at a range 66% greater than 10 yards, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume an Army trained sharpshooter could do so at a much greater range?
Posted by DADvocate at July 31, 2007 08:48 PM
With the permission of the Tillman family, that diary, if it exists, should be published.
Posted by e. nonee moose at August 1, 2007 06:26 AM
Moose, this is a comment that you posted yesterday on a different topic:
Communists, enviromentalists, Islamic terrorists, The New York Times, and Democrats all in one happy clusterConspiracy theories like this are why I can't take you guys seriously.
Now, you're falling for one.
If such a diary exists, and I have no reason to doubt that, then wouldn't it foolish to release it at this time because of information that can help our enemies and put other soldiers at risk? Would you have opposed censoring letters from our troops in WWII?
Posted by Woody at August 1, 2007 07:32 AM
Further debunking of the "liberals are compassionate" myth.
Posted by Crush Liberalism at August 1, 2007 08:45 AM
What I would be warry of is what bigger story is trying to be slid under our noses through the smokescreen of this story. Yesterday the conservative talk radio station was trying to float this story. My thought is let the current investigation play out.
Posted by psyberwolfe at August 1, 2007 11:54 AM
Let the investigation play out, by all means. But the reasoning at these sites is an excellent example of selective use of information. Of course they find it easy to understand, and want others to think so as well. They ignore everything complicated.
I would be curious which conservative talk radio personality was floating this. There are several who are called conservative by the left who would be better described as populist/isolationist/paranoid.
Posted by Assistant Village Idiot at August 1, 2007 01:06 PM
Woody,
I said "if it exists" and it might not. And releasing Tillman's personal views on the war would hardly put other soldiers at risk, unless maybe one considers a potential court marshal to be a risk.
Personally, I had no idea that Tillman was against the war in Afghanistan. And truthfully, that's a war I supported, unlike the current one we are in.
Posted by e. nonee moose at August 1, 2007 03:57 PM
AVI In Austin Conservative means just right of center. This station espouses a more conservative point and plays Lush Gimpbaugh at its usual hour.
I see your point, but as the day has worn on more and more media sources are reporting about the medical examiners report and it has caused me to wonder. So let's watch this play out and see what happens.
Posted by psyberwolfe at August 1, 2007 05:31 PM
Moose, I said the same thing as you when I said that I don't know if the diary exists but I presume that it does. We don't what would be in it, but it might contain military information that would be helpful to an enemy. I never saw any evidence that Tillman was against the war in Afghanistan, over which not even the Democrats are raising an issue.
Posted by Woody at August 1, 2007 08:18 PM
While serving in the military AND having actually been in fire-fights does not make one an expert (Note: I really admire Sir John Keegan re: Military History, and he never served due to physical inability), I wonder how many in this great "discussion" (not just on this blog), know much about the chaos of combat?
What are fire-fights actually like? What sounds do you hear? What do you see? What is real and what is perceived? You must act, quickly? What is it like in the night and/or wx is bad? How about when you are very, very tired? How many levels of fear are there and when do they occur?
Hey, I know, we could ask Oliver Stone. Right.
Posted by Tad at August 1, 2007 09:03 PM
