April 22, 2007

I Think That I Shall Never See...


On April 11, a white student placed a ham steak in a bag on a lunch table where Somali students were eating. Muslims consider pork unclean and offensive.


The school incident is being treated seriously as "a hate incident," Levesque said. Lewiston police are investigating, and the Center for the Prevention of Hate Violence is working with the school to create a response plan.

"We've got some work to do to turn this around and bring the school community back together again," Levesque said.

I'm sorry, while what the kids did was indeed deliberately offensive, and the kids knew it, but it was not a hate crime and does not rise to the point where the police needed to be involved. What ever happened to the school taking care of the misbehavior with a little consequence such as staying late after school, cleaning blackboards, or even opening a can of WhoopAss on the kids? On the other hand, the only reason this prank worked at all is because of the heightened sensitivity of the Somali kids and the belief that their feelings are more important than the feelings of others. So, let me just say this?

I think that I shall never see
A sandwich as lovely as a BLT.
A BLT near which my hungry mouth is prest
Against the sandwich, and not turkey's breast;
A BLT that looks at me at lunch,
And lifts its lettucey arms to me;
A BLT that may in Summer wear
No nest of sprouts anywhere near;
Upon whose bosom mayo has lain;
Whose toasted bread in twain doth be.
Poems are made by fools like me,
But only a Deli can make a great BLT.

....................................................... With apologies to Joyce Kilmer

Posted by gmroper at April 22, 2007 04:44 PM | TrackBack

You're such a ham!

Posted by Jeremayakovka at April 22, 2007 04:59 PM

Perhaps the complete moral and political failure of an administration you shilled for and a war that you supported has now caused you to turn your focus onto these sorts of stories. Thing is your obsession with Muslims and pork borders on pathological. Get some help, cheers

Posted by Ahmed at April 22, 2007 05:12 PM

The moral failure is on the part of Muzzies who think that it is OK to kill people to get what they want. The Muzzie belief that everyone must be converted or killed.

I don't think it was nice for the kids to put ham on the table but I also don't think kids in school are particularly nice anyway. To call this a hate crime is ridiculous and the only reason it has risen to that level is because we have become oh so sensitive to how the poor Muzzies feel.

I really don't give a rodent's behind if they like it or not. If I were in Iraq I would dip my bullets in pig grease. No, this is not a hate crime. A hate crime is sawing some guys head off or better yet, making a kid do it. These Muzzie terrorists are cowards. Hell, afraid of ham...

It is not a hate crime to put ham on the table. A hate crime would have been shoving the ham in a body opening...

I support the war, just not the way we are fighting it. Left to me there would be a hell of a lot more death and destruction and the Middle East would be a glass parking lot that could again sustain life in a few thousand years.

No, maybe I would just get a bunch of Texas boar hogs and let them loose in the country. That should shake the bad guys out of their spider holes.

I think that I shall never see
a Muzzie eat a BLT
but if one messes with the Dog
I would feed him to a Hog.

Posted by Big Dog at April 22, 2007 05:29 PM

Many and many a year ago,
In a Kingdom by the sea...
There was a raghead that secretly,
Munched on BLT's...

And that muzzie he loved to munch on ham,
and sausage and bacon and chops..
For you see he discovered that MoMo's a fake,
And took a 9 year old girl to the 'hop'...

Poor Ahmed he ventured to the land of real Americans and real American attitudes... Big Dog has it right, support the war 100%, but get GWB fired up and let the troops kill a lot more muzzies...

And Ahmed, if you knew how many Pork Dinner MRE's the people of Baghdad had actually eaten, you'd be very surprised...

Posted by TexasFred at April 22, 2007 05:52 PM

Ahmed, you are such a wuss! I have no problem with Muslims or pork, I have problems with political correctness and utter stupidity. The only Muslims I can't stand are the islamofascists and the apologists for them and the folk like Hamas and Hez'b. Your problem is that you can't see beyond the end of your nose and you are so thin skinned, you think everything and everyone that doesn't believe the way you do is an idiot... Problem is, you are so wrong little fella, so very wrong about so many things.

Posted by GM Roper at April 22, 2007 06:29 PM

You talkn' to me? BLT? - BLT? - I've got your BLT!! Since I wasn't there - I didn't see the "Bully" part and how "Na Nah Na Na Nah" it was! Shouldn't even be in the news. Lot's of good poetry here though! lol

Posted by chrys at April 22, 2007 06:48 PM

In days of old
In a kingdom bold
There lived a dirty muzzie
His clothes were soiled
His turban tight
And his face it was all fuzzy

His goats were killed
In a bombing run
By U.S. Navy planes
And he sat all night
In the pale moonlight
Full of hunger pangs

About that time
A pig walked by
He was fat
Just ripe for eatin'
And the muzzie knew
If the pig he slew
Big mo' he wasn't meetin'

So he sat real still
In the midnight air
His stomach was a-growlin'
Then he grabbed a stick
With a pointy end
And then he went a-prowlin'

He caught that pig
In a dead end wash
And stuck that stick in deep
Hours later
as he wiped his mouth
He said "boy that's damn good meat."

Now the muzzie knew
That paradise
Was far out of his grasp
So he moved to New York
So that he could eat pork
And Big Mo' could kiss his ass

Posted by kender at April 22, 2007 08:03 PM

lolz GM..come catch my post on this very subject my friend!..:)

Posted by Angel at April 22, 2007 08:14 PM

Ham as a hate crime??? Unbelievable! Or Ham as poetic inspiration? Yes!

Posted by Faultline USA at April 22, 2007 10:44 PM

Throwing a ham steak, even if in a bag, on a table where Muslims is sitting is a hateful action designed to anger or provoke the Muslims sitting there. Imagine a bunch of snickering skinheads doing the same thing to a table of Jewish students. LGF and the ADL would (rightfully) be all over that. We need to kill and capture Jihadi terrorists, not antagonize peaceful students.

Posted by Timbre at April 23, 2007 01:45 AM

Timbre - when I see muslim students stop DEMANDING that they be given special rights (being able to have a table to themselves, prayer times, and not allowing teachers to have a PIGLET COFFEE MUG), maybe I'll believe they want to peacefully coexist, but until then, a student doing this is NOT A HATE CRIME! Should the students be reprimanded, maybe. Detention, possibly, but the police should not have been called, and since they were, they should have told the idiots in charge at this school to PULL THEIR HEADS OUT OF THEIR ASSES!

Posted by Smokey at April 23, 2007 06:50 AM

On April 11, a white student....

Theres the story if it would have been a black,hispanic or Asian student there would have been no story to tell.

Posted by Mike at April 23, 2007 08:55 AM

There's a reason for mentioning that the student was white; the Somalis have an interesting history in Lewiston.

If you can find it, rent the movie 'The Letter', in which the Lewiston mayor begs Somalis to stop coming there, as they are overwhelming Maine's scant human service resources, and taking jobs from the Mainers who need them.

The Somalis have been good, hardworking, legal immigrants - but at a price to the native born, who are white and equally poor.

Posted by Peter Porcupine at April 23, 2007 09:15 AM

Like I said you guys are obsessed and some of you (Big and Kender..im looking your way) sound outright delusional. I've never heard the term Muzzie, that's, um, hilarious. Great to see such elevated discourse here. You guys need to get out of the house or whatever backward ass joint you live in and and maybe read a book, travel or something. Feeble things for feeble minds I guess. Big Idiot and Kender surprise would make a good comedy group.

Posted by Ahmed at April 23, 2007 04:31 PM

Any sane person who reads this comment thread probably knows that Big Dog, with all his brash illetarate "we'll get them damn Muzzies" talk comes across as a total fool. To me the faux machismo is a cover, he sounds like the kind of guy who is scared of his own shadow.

Posted by Ahmed at April 23, 2007 07:31 PM

"Ahmed, you are such a wuss!"

Unlike Muslims, white Christians form the majority group in this country and have a far more intimate connection to political, social and economic power than those who are "othered" on a daily basis. Yet, you guys think that the "muzzies" (your term, not mine) are juist too darn senstive. I'll start taking you guys seriously when you stop whining and crying while munting pathetic and faux "war on christman" idiot campaigns. No wait, who is the wuss?

Posted by Ahmed at April 24, 2007 02:01 AM

"can't stand are the islamofascists and the apologists for them and the folk like Hamas and Hez'b"

Yet you've regularly offered up yourself as an apologist for collective punishment, torture, unrelenting occupation, disposession and racism all embodied in the daily practice of the state that you "stand by". In reality you're steeped in your own ignorance and are doing no favors to either palestinian or israeli both of whom would be better off if we could ever some to a just solution predicated on equality and recognition of the other.

Posted by Ahmed at April 24, 2007 01:55 PM

"If I were in Iraq I would dip my bullets in pig grease. No, this is not a hate crime.'

Yet you're here puffing up your chest and proclaiming how tough your are. Well, BD, no one is stopping you from signing up in Iraq and using that pig grease (a bizarre fantasy i must say) But wait you don't really want to go to Iraq, you're just in favor of sending others to die in your place. Looks like oure resident Big Dog is in fact a chicken hawk

Posted by Ahmed at April 24, 2007 04:07 PM

Actually Ahmed, while I don't particularly like the term "Muzzies" Big Dog is a vet with some 20+ years in the Army, most as a combat medic so I'd guess you were wrong, but then, you so often are about so very much.

Posted by GM Roper at April 24, 2007 05:53 PM

Only people who are terribly insecure about their own belief systems feel the need to denigrade others. Are commentators here so frightened that they need to make fun of other people, refer to them as "muzzies" and project bizarre fantasies about killing people with bullets dipped in pigs grease. In muslim culture, for whatever reason, pork is considered taboo. So what? The idea of taboo exists in any culture. You like BLT's. Like I said so what? What the childish display of immaturity. What idiocy. And why should a immigrant child from Somalia, already probably experiecing a level of dislocation, have to put up with such a stupid and deliberate act. Why shouldn't our schools be safe places where tolerance and respect are fostered. I dont get it. Do we really want to produce new generation of people like "Big Dog" who don't even have the decenvy to call people muslims instead of muzzies. Where are we headed with all of this and why can't adults step in and show the way for decenvy and common humanity? Pork is also not allowed in Jewish religious tradition? Where are the poems celebrating blt's and micking jews for not eating pork. If this happenned to a young jewish immigrant I think we should treat it seriously. Dont you? Why donmt you ever object when commentators here try and denationalise other American citizens. When they refer to some people as "real American" presumably to imply that those who aren't included dont deserve the same protection and similar rights. This is a really important dialogue. There is a term in Xhosa called "Abuntu". I'm not sure how to translate it but the meaning is that ones humanity isn't defined by others but oneself. This isnt about Bin Laden or Hamas. Its about what kind of society and people we are. How do we treat fellow citisenms whose ideas may differ from our own. What are our guiding principles. Where is our courage, our faith in ourselves.

Posted by Ahmed at April 24, 2007 07:09 PM

"Actually Ahmed, while I don't particularly like the term "Muzzies"

Quick question Roper. Im just wondering what's your objection to the term? Why don't you like it?

Posted by Ahmed at April 24, 2007 07:16 PM

"On the other hand, the only reason this prank worked at all is because of the heightened sensitivity of the Somali kids and the belief that their feelings are more important than the feelings of others"

Nonsense, you're just projecting your racism ontop the story. What you're saying about the Somali kids would be true if the Somali kids were demanding that no one in the school eat pork and that the cafeteria stop serving BLT. Were they doing this? The "prank" was obviously designed to specifally target them. make them feel vulnereable, while utilising evoking a knowledge of what might be taboo in their culture. They were targetted and justly felt hurt. I think that the Somali kids like all kids should not have to endure this kind of targetting and schools should be places of respect. Don't you. The fact that you think the fault is with the Somali kids for thinking that they have superior beliefs is kind of nutty, no? I think your statement reveals much more about yourself than it does about the kids.

Posted by Ahmed at April 24, 2007 07:29 PM

Why don't I particularly like it? Same reason I don't like the word nigger, kike, wetback, mick, etc. I think it is tossing needless (and inappropriate) opprobrium additionally, I have several Muslim friends and they do not deserve the term, they are quite vocal about their dislike for the islamofascists, I respect them. You may not believe it ( and indeed once all but said I was lying about that) but my problem isn't with muslims, it is with islamofascists, terrorists, etc. NOT muslims.

As to the comment immediately above, obviously you didn't read the post, I said that the kids tossing the ham on the table was offensive

I'm sorry, while what the kids did was indeed deliberately offensive, and the kids knew it, but it was not a hate crime and does not rise to the point where the police needed to be involved.
my main point that it was not a hate crime. I also feel that while the somali kids have a right to not be teased, paying attention to this kind of offensive behavior only encourages more of it. Ahmed, these were Jr. High kids, not the best behaved bunch under any circumstances and that applies to many races, classes, nationalities etc. You may expect that JR. High kids will act like grownups and be respectful at all times, I don't and I'm willing to correct the hell out of them when they aren't so that by the time they are grown, they may have a decent amount of respect for others. But again, the point of my post was that it was not a hate crime and the PC crap that says we can't be offended or offend is just that, crap. You have no problem offending people you disagree with, are you guilty of hate crimes Ahmed?

Posted by GM Roper at April 24, 2007 07:48 PM

I don't think that we should strive towards some sort of society where no one is offended. That's not an ideal society, at all, and I'm a strong believer in the right to question and, in fact, offend, any belief structure. Thing is when there is deliberate targetting of specific groups, within a society, where not everyone is treatd equally and there is a hierarchy of culture, race or class, we'd be idiots to not try and addreess the evils of intolerance, xenophoibia and hate. We're better people when we do. That's my point. When so called adults like Big Dog run around thinking its funny to call people "Muzzies", suggest that they are one in the same, when adlts talk about "real American" with guns wiping "islam" of the map then surelky that fosters an enviroment where a Somali kid who happens to be Muslim is then targetted and treated like less than an equal. The problem, you see, isn't always with the kids, its with us.

"Why don't I particularly like it? Same reason I don't like the word nigger, kike, wetback, mick,"

But the difference is that I've never seen a commentator here use terms like nigger or kike. Perhaps they would have decades ago but not now. I think we're a better society for that. Yet several people on this site seem quite comfortable saying Muzzies are denigrading "them" as a people. If you dont think that Islamophobia is a comtemporary problem you might want to comtemplate why niggers and kikes is unaaceptable here, yet an idiotic term like "muzzies" is widelu utterred. peace

Posted by Ahmed at April 24, 2007 08:03 PM

Reread my post. I wasn't argung about whether the police should be involved. Instead I was taking up your blatantly false proposition that the specific incidetn demonstrates that the Somali kids "belief that their feelings are more important than the feelings of others." This makes no sense. For it to be true the kids would have to argue that everyone shpould be offended by ham and that the cafeteria should not serve pork. There's no evidence of this. That they were offeneded by the act agaisnt them doesnt mean that they think their belief system is more important. I dont get your argument here

Posted by Ahmed at April 24, 2007 08:08 PM

"Left to me there would be a hell of a lot more death and destruction and the Middle East would be a glass parking lot that could again sustain life in a few thousand years."

I wonder what Roper's muslim friends whom he "respects" would have to say about Big Dogs genocidal imagination

Posted by Ahmed at April 24, 2007 09:58 PM

"I wonder what Roper's muslim friends whom he "respects" would have to say about Big Dogs genocidal imagination"

Still on that "Guilt By Association Kick" are you? I wonder what my non-muslim friends think about the kind of stuff YOU post around here with your islamophilia?

Posted by GM Roper at April 25, 2007 06:37 AM

I'm more than able to defend my views. Radical Islam is certainly worth the contempt that you show it, yet I remain unconvinced by your assurances of respect for Islam. Indeed, most of your language is couched in classic "clash of civilisation" mode, using terms that have become so hackneyed in our global culture as to lose meaning. To sustain this simplistic view of the world, it is imperative that the east, indebted, underdeveloped, and illiterate as it may be, is seen as the real threat to the rich, developed, and thriving west. It becomes vital, then, that the is seen primarily through its religion, quotes from fundamentalist ideologues (Sayyid Qutb), and examples of backward social mores culled from Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Saudi Arabia (and not from the other 54 Muslim nations.) Lastly, it is necessary to minimize or gloss over the west's past crimes, while maximizing the east's, all the better to achieve the desired contrast. GM Roper mourns the death of Israelis while shedding zero tears for Palestinians who are not only an occupied people but are being routinely being killed by a state which was founded on thier dispossesion. A crucial premise of the clash of civilizations argument is that the east is belligerent. Because it is difficult, even under the clash of civilizations mode of thinking, to sustain the claim that all Muslims are Islamists, it becomes important to minimize the work of non-Islamist Muslims. I'm on a bit of a rant but my main point is that the world is thankfullly far more complex than people here suggest. Roper is quick to take me on in a debate but he has never even attempted to mount an argument against the likes of Big Dog and Kender. WHy not? This is a discussion blog, after all. I dont really care what rank xenophobes with no historical literacy, who divide the world between "real" and unreal Americans, who call themselves friends of Roper think about me

Posted by Ahmed at April 25, 2007 12:21 PM

Funny how all these so called "real Americans" who puff out their chests and are so eager to pronounce their hatred of "muzzies" all of a sudden disappear when confronted with substancial and intelligent arguments. Can't say that Im too surprised though

Posted by Ahmed at April 27, 2007 01:47 AM

Umm.. Ahmed. Two questions. Are you an American citizen? Are you a threat to national security? Enough said. Keep your muslim beliefs to yourself. Your arrogance is pronounced and redundant. Your attempt at antagonizing others is pointless. And, if you feel you succeeded in offending others, grow up. When the fight or flight circumstance presents itself, I can firmly believe you will run. So, please do a service to this site, find another site to converse with... Somewhere your voice will be heard and accepted. Obviously, your wit ahd charm is lost within these ether walls.

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