December 09, 2006
I am a War Monger!!!
I am a war monger, there, I've said it and I make no apologies for it. I support the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, I support going to war against the Sons-of-Bitches that rule Iran and Syria and I support a takedown of the hypocrites that are the Royal Family of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. I take this stance because I know full well the dangers of islamofascists and their ilk. I have seen the nature of the beast and I am worried that a majority of Americans and Europeans do not. I have seen the scourge of islamofascism in the hole in the ground once occupied by twin towers of stunning architecture and commerce, in the torn up landscape of a field in Pennsylvania and in the hole through offices in the Pentagon. I have seen it in the delusional and psychotic meanderings of leftists that purport to "prove" that Bush was behind the attacks. I have seen it in the cries of airline passengers blythfully going about their business, only to have their day disrupted in fire and death. In the agonized faces of their family members posting pictures of missing family members wondering if they were safe, or God forbid, murdered.
I volunteered to be enlisted in the Army fully expecting to go to Vietnam though that didn't happen. I and my wife went on a dream vacation to the baltics and was in Berlin when 4 hijacked planes slammed into the heart of what it is to be an American. I volunteered again only to be told that I was too old, and now I am too ill.
But I have a voice, through this blog and through communication opportunities only dreamed of in my youth. I have friends who have been at the pointed tip of the spear who tell me that as a country worth dying for, we have largely lost our way. I have seen with my own eyes places like Bergen Belsen made possible because stripped pants folk like Neville Chamberlin thought appeasement more important than defense of liberty. I have read some of the Iraqi Study Group's report and their so called recommendations and I hear a whisper of "peace in our time."
I have heard it said that the ISG is less about the war in Iraq, than it is about the political angst in America. I cannot disagree with that assertion! I have watched seemingly rational people decry the President in the most foul terms imaginable. I have listened to liberal types say that the war in Iraq was and is about oil. I have seen America's psychosis up close and it isn't pretty.
I worry about the kind of world in which it is OK to worry about the feelings of 6 Imam's being taken off of an airplane, but not OK to worry about why people became afraid in the first place. I have seen the President talk about "The Religion of Peace" while hours before I saw practitioners of the Religion of Peace dancing in the streets with faces of absolute joy at the destruction of the Twin Towers and the firey, crushing death of 3000 Americans.
I, cringingly, watched an American in Iraq, there to help the Iraqi people have his head cut off with a knife. I know of videos of an American reporter experiencing the same fate. I have seen photographs of an American Warship with a gaping hole in its side, of embassys bombed and occupied, of barracks bombed with explosives driven there in a car or truck.
I have watched Israel pounded again and again by rockets fired by men who have no compunction about putting their fellow adherents at risk or by the innocent civilians who were to be killed by the rockets.
I have seen, over the years, a complete degeneration of the left into an almost psychotic flight from reality. Doc Sanity says it well:
- The left and the Democrats (and anyone else) are delusional if they think that Iran and Syria would be helpful in calming things down in Iraq (unless they are using some definition of "helpful" that I am not familiar with--one which suggest that pouring oil on a fire is helpful, for example);I know, deep in my bones that many on the left will say "Oh, no, not us, we love the America that could be." Yeah, right, the America that could be theirs to control, where one cannot make the decision to eat transfat in New York, where one cannot educate their child at home according to the dictates of their conscience. Where every clause and amendment in the Constitution is loaded with emanations and penumbras, but amendments such as the Second and Tenth don't mean what they clearly say they mean without resorting to penumbra or emanations."- The Democrats' spurning of John Bolton's nomination is a triumph of appeasement and denial;
"- The political left repeatedly demonstrates contempt for the concept of free speech and most of the values of this country, including political and economic freedom; [Note: To which GM's Corner adds the voice of Cinnamon Stillwell]
"- The left and the Democrats systematically subvert the truth and exhibit a peculiar rhetorical solidarity with terrorist regimes and terrorist fanatics--just ask the President of Iran, who regularly uses their talking points;
"- The left long ago abandoned the liberal philosophy and have happily sunk into moral and intelluctal bankruptcy.
"Just read about anything in my sidebar or archives to see that I never refrain from saying what I really think as directly as possible. My overarching emotion toward today's left and their wholly owned subsidiary, the Democratic party, is not hate, but pure, unadulterated contempt (consult a dictionary if you don't know the difference).
"I reserve the emotion of hate for the Islamofascist terrorist thugs, and I am very proud to monger that hate for the kind of bestiality and barbarism they routinely exhibit. That the left is unable to realize or accept that it is their own ideology that sanctions the bestiality and barbarism is their problem, not mine.
"If you are a Democrat or an adherent of leftist/socialist/communist ideology and you are offended by my analyses--tough shit.
I have read people like Shrinkwrapped who in his wisdom noted that we cannot get a clear picture of what is really happening in Iraq when the picture is deliberately distorted, when lies become "truth" and when sharp, and in your face color pictures tell a tale that is a setup and no where near the truth:
We now know that the same kind of distortion and overt propaganda is an important element in the delegitimization of our efforts in Iraq. The case has been made, and it is a powerful indictment, that the news media's success in depicting the murderous insurgency as being composed of the victims of American aggression and as currently winning in Iraq, has gone a long way in recruiting and maintaining the insurgency. More recently we have seen that AP, once thought of as a non-partisan purveyor of information, has not only used questionable sources for their reporting, but is untroubled by all the evidence of their failures.This would include such luminaries as the Associated Press defending the use of non-existant spokesmen to report burning of mosques and bodies that did not happen, and then denying that they are. As Glenn Reynolds noted "HOLE. SHOVEL. DIGGING."
There is a war going on, a war against terrorism and its ally disinformation, and it is a war that we may be in very real danger of losing. And that is why I am, and shall remain a war monger to my dying breath.
Posted by GM Roper at December 9, 2006 01:25 PM | TrackBackHooah!
Posted by Cao at December 9, 2006 01:54 PM
I am a War Mongering, Knuckle-Dragging, Mouth-Breathing, Gun-Toting, Red-White and Blue Blooded, Patriotic, Freedom-Loving, America Defending War Monger to the bone.
Hallelujah, pass the ammo and Amen brother.
Posted by Kender at December 9, 2006 02:33 PM
I wasn't a war monger until 9/11. But I've been one ever since.
But our damn leaders are heading down the path to appeasement--guaranteed to lead to more murder here, more events such as 9/11.
Well said, GM!
Posted by Always On Watch at December 9, 2006 02:56 PM
I'm with you!
http://ogresview.mu.nu/archives/207877.php
Posted by Ogre at December 9, 2006 03:09 PM
And the recent ISG report calls for cut and run...ironic that it comes out the same day as we recall 12-7-41 -a day that was supposed to live in infamy...it didn't..nor did 9-11-01...
Will we ever learn? Where are the warmongers??
I'm with you GM.
Posted by Raven at December 9, 2006 03:39 PM
Phil Ochs - I aint marching anymore
Posted by Ahmed at December 9, 2006 04:14 PM
I was listening to some one chanting "give peace a chance." Don't they know that peace always precedes war and that if peace really worked in those situations then war would not have been necessary. War resolves what peace avoids.
Posted by Woody at December 9, 2006 04:37 PM
"A time for war, and a time for peace."
Ecclesiastes
Because we refuse to roll over and die, now is a time for war. Then peace will come.
Posted by DADvocate at December 9, 2006 06:01 PM
How horrid is war? VERY. What, if anything, is worse? Tyranny and powerlessness of the general citizenry.
I could go on and on about how truly JUST and truly rational and truly noble your comments are, but I will not. You've said it well. I find it nearly mind numbing that the Pelosi, Schumer, Kennedy, Levin, Reid...oh, the list is too long, are so very ignorant (as in, to ignore). Criminally flawed by a lack of real knowledge of history. These are not Leaders to defend the nation in war. Gad, does our country smack of France in 1940?
Well, I AM going on. Sorry.
To all and sundry. If you're young and fit....join and fight. If you're not so young or not fit...read...LOTS. Make your voice heard. Nitwits abound.
We must defend our country and all the sheep that are disbelieving. GM, I've been to Dachau...I know what you mean.
Fix Bayonets (that is more a voice of defiance...actually, you want to nail the bad guys at distance)
Posted by tad at December 9, 2006 06:04 PM
Ahmed, as an old 60's coffee-house liberal and peacenik, I've got pretty good immunity against the ideas of folksingers.
GMR - you may have heard me speak ill of John McCain in the past, and I have several bones to pick with him. But he's the main Washington voice speaking out against the ISG report and in favor of victory at this point.
Posted by Assistant Village Idiot at December 9, 2006 06:55 PM
Kill em all and let God sort em out...
Posted by TexasFred at December 9, 2006 07:10 PM
Now that you have vented your spleen, take two asprin and go to bed. I realize that only you and your boosters have been to he mountain top and have been illuminated with the truth. You have clearly delineated the worst events of the last 60 years. You have ignored the hundreds of thousands of victims of collateral damage.
War is what you do when ALL other options have been tried and have failed. War is justified when the offenders are attacked. Afganistan was correct. Saudi Arabia would have been correct. Iran would have been correct. Syria would have been correct. But Iraq? There was no terrorism backed by Iraq, there was no WMD in Iraq. If Saddam was a bad guy, it was our problem in the past, because we supported him. It was not our problem in the year of our Lord 2003. If I am wrong, tell me what instance Iraq was to blame. The one time that Iraq was out of line, George HW Bush handled the problem as it should have been done.
Your words are the words of radicalism. If you truly are so warlike, then face up to the problems of paying for he damage caused by your words. Pay for the damage done to the 28,00 wounded soldiers that have to go on food stamps because of veterans administration funding that the republicans have nearly eliminated. Return the veterans benefits that have been cut as a sop to the idea of reducing the government. Listen to your words, and be ashamed of the people you have continually returned (or tried) to places of power. You and you cohorts are so enthralled by the fire-eating rhetoric that you spew out that our system of government has been paralyzed.
Posted by James S Melbert at December 9, 2006 07:22 PM
James S Melbert our government is paralyzed by the traitors in the 'democratic' party. There is currently at least two hundred members of congress that should be arrested, tried, convicted and shot for comitting treason in time of war. Lincoln said that best. If the first three don't happen the last one will, and it won't be far in the future. One major attack on the U.S. , millions dead, and I don't want to even be a distant relative of a dimmi politician.
Posted by Scrapiron at December 9, 2006 08:06 PM
TRAITORS? What are you smoking? That's precisely the kind of Bovine excrement that I was talking about. Go home Scrapiron. where ever it is. The USA isn't the place for you.
Posted by James S Melbert at December 9, 2006 08:16 PM
Lets see. Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus and placed the city of Chicago under Martial rule (not law)
Now Scrapiron wants to suspend the nonsense called Free Speech. Right on. Fits well here
Posted by James S Melbert at December 9, 2006 08:24 PM
James, you, my beloved friend are full of crap. This place is full of FREE SPEECH, and I have room for both Scrapiron and you. No one here want's to abridge free speech, but some of us have some serious questions about some of the speech we do hear. I recommend you scroll down and read the post I did on Cinnamon Stillwell's column about the squelching of free speech on campuses.
Posted by GM Roper at December 9, 2006 09:13 PM
Mr. Melbert, You have a very Western and "Well-Intentioned" way of thinking about war.
Do NOT, for a moment, think that all peoples around the world embrace your notions. Careful, and extensive, reading of history of civilizations of the past AND countries/regimes of the present (and not so near present) reveal that war and brutality are the norm and achieving power is all that matters for very many.
Some, just by years of inculturation, are disposed to attack at the earliest opportunity. They believe compassion is weakness. Domination is a positive and torture is a regular entertainment. Some are just mad-men or amoral.
Do NOT believe me....search and dig. Research will prove what I say.
The U.S. for ALL its' faults, failures, sins and horrid behaviors, is light years more free and overall better than the majority of countries. This statement isn't "triumphalism" or egocentrism...but reality. Again, we've got all sorts of bad people who are citizens of our country, of that I freely admit, but I am safer, more free and have a better life than most places on the planet...and so do you.
How do I know? I've been to places good and bad right 'round the world. 40 countries...plus or minus...I use the word "countries" rather loosely. Some were/are just thugdoms.
BTW, Good Sir, have you ever laced up a pair of boots for your country?
Posted by tad at December 9, 2006 10:00 PM
I support going to war against the Sons-of-Bitches that rule Iran and Syria and I support a takedown of the hypocrites that are the Royal Family of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
If we attempted to do this and succeeded, what then? Honestly, do you think Russia and China would stand for it if they thought we had total control of the world's oil supply? Attempting to conquer the Middle East doesn't lead to peace and security. It leads to World War III, better known among Christians as The Apocalypse. We may dip from the river as we please but we cannot dam it up.
GM, I know you're heart's in the right place, but your head isn't. Settle down, think things over and try to come up with pragmatic solutions. And think long term, not short term.
Frankly, I think the conservative bloggers are getting totally bent out of shape over nothing. Even if we draw down the troops over time, we are building permanent bases over there and those bases will be manned. They will serve as staging areas for future conflicts and you can't be displeased about that. I'll wager establishing those base was the true goal of the invasion all along.
Posted by e. nonee moose at December 10, 2006 12:30 AM
Well said, GM, and count me as one of your war-mongers. Now if we could only count on GWB, too.
Posted by DRJ at December 10, 2006 12:51 AM
why dont all of yall that love war so much carry your asses over to iraq, afghanistan, iran, syria and whatever other bogeyman fox news tells you is todays "evil-doer" and while you're at it take your sons, daughters and grandchildren with you so that if you all get killed at least the human races gene pool is rid of you.
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Posted by doofy_dubya at December 10, 2006 01:50 AM
"There was no terrorism backed by Iraq, there was no WMD in Iraq."
James, we found training camps in Iraq, we saw Saddam give checks to the parents of Palestinian suicide bombers, we know for a fact that in the early 90s Saddam gave a large sum of money to Ayman al Zawahiri just before bin laden joined his group, we know that Saddam gave sanctuary to Abu Nidal, a known terrorist, and also gave sanctuary to Abdul Rahman Yasim one of the WTC 1993 bombing suspects. There's lots more. They buried some WMD, we found some of it. We may find more. Don't you want to know why the Russians were still in Baghdad immediately after its fall and we caught them fleeing toward the Syrian border? Iraq was not surprised by our attack. They had ample time to hide much of their activities.
"If we attempted to do this and succeeded, what then? Honestly, do you think Russia and China would stand for it if they thought we had total control of the world's oil supply?"
This is only if one believes that this is all for "control of the oil". Which it is not. We are not an OPEC nation. We will never be an OPEC nation. They have control of the oil production and prices. Oddly enough, do you not think that it's problematic that the most powerful OPEC nations are so corrupt and afford the least freedoms to their people? Russia and China's governments know this. It's not a matter of whether they think we'll get control, but that they won't be able to so easily manipulate it themselves if these nations become free from their dictators.
Posted by Oyster at December 10, 2006 06:03 AM
This is only if one believes that this is all for "control of the oil". Which it is not.
It could not be perceived by foreign powers as anything else. I mentioned China and Russia but I think even India might balk at the thought of the U.S. taking complete control of the Middle East. Even if it doesn't lead to WWIII, you see how destabilized Iraq is right now. Imagine the whole Middle East being like that. Oil production would go down, oil prices would soar, economies would collapse. GM's idea is just a bad one all the way around.
Posted by e. nonee moose at December 10, 2006 08:07 AM
Tad: yes I have done the "laced up boots" I was in the army from Sept 1942 until June 1945. I served in the ETO from August 1944 until June 1945. I saw the effect of war up close and personal. But I have recollections of the good things our country provided for those that served in that war. The GI bill was a prime factor in the
economic recovery of the US from the war time ecomomy.
Oyster: Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining. There was not a single WMD found in Iraq unless you aren't sure what WMD is. There was no poison gas cached for use, there was zero nuclear activity, unless you want to count the natural yearning of a dictator to get that ability. I didn't know anything about the Russians, but what was significant about that? I fail to get that point.
Guy: I didn't say nor did i infer that your blog was squelching free speech. I said that "Scrapiron" was advocating that. My statement about "suspending free speech fitting well here". was poorly written. I meant only to refer to Scrapiron's statements. Sorry about that.
In general I enjoy this blog and the open forum it provides. I just do get impatient when otherwise intelligent, usually sensible folk get so bent out of shape. I think that nonee moose put it very succintly.
Posted by James S Melbert at December 10, 2006 11:55 AM
Another thought, I hope you people realize that Saddam was a saber rattling idiot, because his country was so weak and ill prepared for any confrontation. He was scared that Iran would restart the Iranian war with Iraq.
It seem that our Intelligence systems had zero knowledge of the real facts. Wishful thinking reigned supreme.
Please do not interpret this as a excuse for Saddam, or, as is a more likely interpretation, a anti american statement. It's neither.
It's a known fact that is uncomfortable to war supporters.
Posted by James S Melbert at December 10, 2006 12:08 PM
"There is currently at least two hundred members of congress that should be arrested, tried, convicted and shot for comitting treason in time of war"
If this violent psychopath and certified member of the hate America right lived in Germany, no doubt he'd be marching under the banner of the SS. This is a totalitarian mindset if I've ever seen one. Apparently Roper has no problem with Nazi type statements from morons proclaiming their desire to assasinate elected officials. You guys have no clue about the societies you wish to invade and you're willing to sacrifice the lives of others in your bloody campaigns. The tide is turning agianst you, though
Posted by Ahmed at December 10, 2006 12:57 PM
"I have room for both Scrapiron and you"
Nice to see that Roper has room for people advocating murder for those they disagree with, yet he is hard as nails when it comes the commentators who use bad words. Kill the infidels and traitors, Scorpain loudly proclaims, demonstrating that we've got our own homegrown nasty fundementalist to deal with as well.
Posted by Ahmed at December 10, 2006 05:16 PM
Ahmed, it is obvious that you see what you want to see. As I noted in my rules for commenting, I don't care what you say, as long as you say it with a civil tongue. You are obviously blind to the what Scrapiron really said and that is "arrested, tried, convicted and shot..." that is a far cry from your term "murder."
But you knew that when you decided to yammer and obfuscate, you seldom attack ideas prefering to attack those who espouse ideas different than your own.
Of course you and those who think like you love to put words into the mouths of those who disagree with you, as do many on my side, including me from time to time. But get this my friend, I have yet to see you say the same thing about some of the vile stuff spewed by those who inhabit Cooper's blog, yet you feel free to come here and click your teeth.
I do have room Ahmed, even for the likes of you! Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Posted by GM Roper at December 10, 2006 06:59 PM
I think your buddy Scorpian has missed his calling. The guy would have been great as part of Mao's red guard or perhaps Joe McCarthy could have made use for him. What exactly should these officials be tried for, and who on Earth should do the shooting. Convicted of what Roper? You can build up a case for the impeachment of George Bush, predicated, i suppose, on on mass disinformation and abuse of presidential powers, which diretly led us to war. More so, I think Rummy should be held on account of torture, a war crime n'est pas? Im guessing you'd disagree. But I would never respect someone whould suggests that the entire republican caucus should be tried, convicted and shot. That stuff occurs in banana republics, that claim no pretense of democracy, not here buddy. There's a deeply authoritarian, disturbing and fundementally anti democratic element embedded within scorpians rhetoric.
Posted by Ahmed at December 10, 2006 08:44 PM
I am no war monger but I think we have no choice but to defend ourselves from Islamic fanatics who will happily kill anyone who they dislike.
It is our moral duty to defend ourselves from these dangerous individuals.
Posted by bee at December 10, 2006 09:58 PM
