Hahaha Hungry

Posted by R. Foster at March 15, 2006 01:20 PM

First of all, i would like to thatnk you, for reading, and posting my comment on screen. The second thing, i would like you to ask, to correct that "Hungry" in the first line :) The third thing, that we had an "uprising" before. Even before '56. 1848 Március 15 (March 15, 1848).
That was the time, when we got our revolution. Later, 1848 Március 15 became the symbol of the freedom, we "keep", and the recovery of lost freedom. For Hungarian people this day, is a national holiday since 1860.

Sorry for my bad english :)

Peter

Posted by Peter at March 15, 2006 02:24 PM

Sorry, but i have to post a new comment, i forgot something, that i wanted to write.

Here is a "story" of the '56 Budapest, by Noel Barber.

http://www.historicaltextarchive.com/books.php?op=viewbook&bookid=13&cid=11

I have been trying to find that newspaper, where the report is, but i couldnt. So, if someone would find it, please let me know, thanks.

Peter

Posted by Peter at March 15, 2006 02:34 PM

I have been taken to task for the accidental misspelling of the word HUNGARY in the title. Mea Culpa, mea culpa, mea MAXIMA culpa! My only defense is that I had just eaten so I was no longer hungry. But it is now corrected to the proper spelling Hungary

(Hey, I thought that was a pretty good recovery.)

Thanks for the e-mails, post cards and letters letting me know of my fat fingered disease. :-)

Oh, and Peter, your "bad" English is far far superior to my nonexistent Hungarian. ;-)

Posted by GM Roper at March 15, 2006 03:32 PM

GM Roper you should have introduced us.

Peter, I have two adopted sons from Transylvania and am in Hungary every other year. We were all in Budapest this summer, and drove back through the Southeastern part of Hungary after visiting Arad and Timisoara. I do a Transylvania Roundup on my blog every month or so, including news from Hungary and Ukraine as well.

Stop by and visit. http://assistantvillageidiot.blogspot.com/2006/03/transylvania-roundup.html

Posted by Assistant Village Idiot at March 15, 2006 05:13 PM

Than you may know, that Hungarian people, who live in Romania(Transylvania, Erdély, in Hungarian), requested autonomy.

Posted by Peter at March 15, 2006 06:50 PM

I knew he was going to say that. You cannot bring up Transylvania to a Hungarian without having it mentioned that they used to own it (and think they still should). Would the Hungarian people please get over it about Trianon? Yes, the Romanians have treated the ethnic Hungarians in their midst badly. So did you to them, and worse. And you have both been hateful and brutal to the Jews and the Cigani (gypsies, or Roma, for those listening in). Wherever you draw a border in Europe, you will leave members of some ethnic group on the "wrong" side.

Hungary does not have its old maximum territorial boundaries. Nor does any nation on the European Continent. What Hungary does have is one of the top growing economies, along with Poland, Slovenia, Estonia, and the Czech Republic. You 5 are the rising powers of New Europe. Be happy with that.

Posted by Assistant Village Idiot at March 15, 2006 08:35 PM

We will never get over Trianon. And if you have two Hungarian-born son, they should know, why. After the World War, the ethnic-map arrived lately to the meeting, where they planned the borders. Thats why we dont have our full-country. (By the way, i didnt mentioned trianon, i just said, that they have requested autonomy.) For you, to understand, why dont we get over Trianon, how would you feel, if they would take away the 2/3 of the US? And on the took-away area, you would have your friends, some of the members of your family. How would you feel? Thats how we feel. We still have friends, and family members on the other side of the border. There, where they kick you off the tram, if you are brave enough to speak Hungarian. And dont tell me, that its a lie. I have a Romanian friend, who is a very good friend of mine, he told me these things, and i belive him.

Posted by Peter at March 15, 2006 11:44 PM

Wow. My sons are ethnic Romanians, who lived for two years in foster care in a Hungarian village outside of Oradea (yes, I know you call it Nagyvarad). They were not well-treated there, by the way. But that is very typical of the entire area, as each group splinters smaller and smaller, disliking each other. The Hungarians and Romanians resent each other. But the Orthodox Romanians resent the Baptists, and the Reformed Hungarians resent the Catholics, and so on forever.

Your perception is that the territory which "belonged" to Hungary in 1919 was its natural boundary -- what really belonged to them. Those territories did not always belong to Hungary, they have passed back and forth many times. They were not predominantly ethnic Magyar, either. In the area then claimed by Hungary, there were Romanians, Germans, Serbs, Jews, Slovaks, Gypsies, Ruthenians, Hutsuls -- and a scattering of other groups. They did not see then, and do not see now, why a Hungarian's desires to live in the same country as his grandmother should be more important than a Romanian's desires to live in the same country as his grandmother.

As I wrote earlier: wherever you draw a boundary in Europe, you will leave some people on the wrong side. As to the mistreatment of ethnic Hungarians in Transylvania -- yes, this is so. I support the right of Hungarians to have their own language and own schools. And they do. It would be nice if the Romanians in Hungary could have the same. But they don't. It would also have been nice if the Romanians had been well-treated when the Hungarians ruled them. But they weren't, in far worse ways than being kicked off trams.

Look, I like the Hungarians better as a people. They are more cheerful, more friendly to strangers. Their government is certainly less corrupt. The roads are better and the hotels are nicer. But every time Transylvania is mentioned to a Hungarian, even in passing or talking about something else, they cannot refrain from mentioning how unfair it all is, as if they were the only victims in the area, and were never the perpetrators.

Posted by Assistant Village Idiot at March 16, 2006 08:54 PM

Hi there!
Sorry for being away for so long. I am writing, the same reason i wrote before. Our (ex) PM's part (MSZP) is cheating on the elections. He invited the Russians, to watch out for the election's 2nd round, which will be on this sunday. He invited those, who said that the White Russian elections were fully right. It was full of cheating as i heard. So he invited those, who were here in '56. This will be loud.

Peter

Posted by Peter at April 21, 2006 12:50 PM

PS: Sorry for my bad english :)

Posted by Peter at April 21, 2006 12:51 PM