1 "I don't know who the Democrats will nominate, and it may well be Hillary, but I'm a tellin ya, almost any Republican except Fred who bowed out and Huckabee who is just another Jimmah Carter could beat Hillary."

Does that include the evil entity otherwise known as McCain about whom certain circles are going clearly insane ?

And by certain circles I mean especially folks at the National Review who have seemingly decided to throw caution to the winds, and check in as permanent guests at the Hotel Outlandish.

"A lot is in the hands of Florida voters today ... God be with you — and us!" --- KJL

As to the NOW madness. What is truly disturbing is the attitude that a woman deserves support for PRESIDENT merely because of what she is. Gender-wise. If this were turned on its head it would be denounced as 'sexism'. In fact sexism is precisely what this nasty foolish little tirade really reveals. While it is amusing to see one set of loons castigate another set of loons, frankly it is getting a little scary.

On the one hand we have progressive idiots caught between asinine political correctness poles, and on the other we have 'conservative' loons praying for devine intervention against a candidate they consider to be a 'deviationist' Great Satan.

With due apologies to Tennyson who would likely be appalled to be dragged into this unseemly mess.

Idiots to the right of them, Idiots to the left of them, Idiots in front of them, Volleyed and thunder'd;

No wonder polls indicate such voter 'dissatisfaction'. The 'opinion makers' and much of the 'leadership' are certifiable.

2

Hell hath no fury like a scorned woman.  The NAG President acts like the organization was Kennedy's mistress.  I'm surprised that she didn't box up all those condemnations and send them to Kennedy's wife. 

But, let's cut her some slack.  Maybe she's going through the emotions of menopause.

3 When asked why he didn't back another Clinton White House, Kennedy said that family dynasties are bad for the country.

4 Now if so conservatives, like our man Roper, could begin to realise and adknowledge that the man they've enpowered to be president for two terms, who, by the way, has the popularity level of about 29 per cent, is a monster tranformed now into a buffoon, a phony, proven liar, whose presidency, much like his life, has been a tragic waste, then perhaps we could get somewhere. In a ultimately just world he would be put on trial, if not by the International Criminal Court of Justice then by the U.S. Congress.  He would be forced to face up to his lies and wars of aggression.  But the moral rot that infects the nation has seeped into the bowels of the legislative as well as the executive branch.  Bush is now largely irrelevent both at home and abroad. Many on the left, such a myself, have been long critics of Clinton style traingulation and DLC huckster politics which has dome so much to dismantle even marginal liberal coaltions. But to hear folks like Roper and woody who supported abnd apologised for perhaps the worst president in American history speak of "honest Democrats" figuring out the Clntons history of dirty tricks, is to be subjected to a level of hypocracy which is frankly disturbing

5

On a much friendlier note, let me say that Ropers mother sounds an awful lot like my own.

Cheers,

Ahmed

6 GM, Woody, this'll crack you up.

Over the past several months, I've gotten to be good friends with a guy named Perry Pemberton of Helenwood, Tn, who is the personal pilot and mechanic of Sen. Howard Baker (and at one time, of Bill Frist). He's been restoring Baker's '62 Galaxie Convertible ( his first campaign car?).

I asked him who the Senator was supporting  in the primaries, and Perry said `Well, he was supporting Thompson,  being neighbors and good friends and all, but now that he has dropped out he'll probably support McCain.

A little inside info, is all.

7

Ahmed, your mom must have been one fine lady.  Too bad she raised a liberal  

Having said that, there isn't much you can say about Bush that I haven't said myself.  He WAS right about Iraq and the war on the islamofascists and I suspect you and I will never agree on that issue.  As my uncle Jimmy said in a earlier comment, I don't see anyone much worth supporting at this stage of the game.

One of the differences between you and I, Ahmed, is that for years you liberal types supported and kept in power the slimeball that is the clinton crime family.  Now you want to put the onus on republicans and conservatives for Bush, but Bush was running aginst a thief (no controling legal authority - remember that?) and a liar about Vietnam.  Given who Bush ran against, he was still the better choice. And you Democrats/Liberals/Progressives are the ones that nominated Gore and Kerry.  You have no one but yourselves to blame for 8 years of Bush.

8 Okay Guy, when you are right about the quality if candidates, you are right. But even you will have to admit that Gore won the election. God alone knows what the supremes were thinking,
I'm not sure why you Repubs are so vicious about Clinton. Sure, he diddled a young lady and got cought in a lie, but does that rise to the first inch of the lies about Iraq and the lives that have been lost there?
How in the world can you say that Bush was right on Iraq? Even a rabid republican such as yourself knows, or should know, that we have no business in Iraq, never did, and most likely, never will. Shades of Victorian England, when is it our business as to how other nation want to live. If you want to avenge the 9-11, what nation caused it? Shall I mention Saudi Arabia?

9

James, all Al Gore had to do was to win his home state and there never would have been any controversy.  However, you're dellusional when you won't admit that it was Gore who tried to steal Florida rather than Bush, who had the most votes--not even counting the military votes that Gore's attorneys (all in place before voting was over) had thrown out.

On Clinton, his crime was as bad as that as Richard Nixon.  All Nixon did was stall an investigation into a political break-in.  Clinton raped Juanita Broderick, took advantage of a White House intern, and lied in his depositions so as to deny another woman her rights under a law that he signed.  Isn't lying in a federal court and then covering it up as bad as what Nixon did and deserving of impeachment?

I don't like the deaths in Iraq myself.  I discussed that with a conservative friend of mine today and wondered aloud where we would be today if Bush had done nothing (like Clinton) and continued to allow Saddam Hussein to continue to disrupt security of our nation and the mideast.  He didn't know.  I don't know. But, I don't see it being any better today if we had not invaded.  Sooner or later, the problem would have had to be handled and should not have been put off another twelve years.

I have less of a problem with a president trying to solve a problem and facing new challenges than with a president ignoring a problem just so that he can pass it on to his successor.

10

I don;t think very highly of Kerry and I supported Nader in 2000, I'm also a leftist not a liberal but to claim that Kerry "lied about Vietnam" is to engage in a politics of idiocy which unfortunatley dominates these horserace type contests we're seeing at the moment.

11

Kerry can't open his mouth without lying Ahmed.  Give me one truth that he made a major campaign issue of in his "war" experiences?  His Christmas in Cambodia lie, the one "seared" in his memory.  How about the Hat, "I have the hat, I still have the hat" that a special forces guy gave him in Cambodia?  Or, how about taking all that fire from the enemy on both sides of the river but yet, not one boat showed any damage at all, but Kerry had a "bruise" from the shelling? Or how about a piece of rice in his ass because he was too close to a cache HE blew up.  That is NOT enemy action yet he got a purple heart for that wound.  When all of his commanding officers said no to his requests for a purple heart but he still gets them?  Come on, you are more honest than that!

Or, how about Rove getting him on the Dick Cavett show 20 years earlier than his race or how about his fraudulent Winter Soldier fiasco or throwing "replicas" of his medals over the white house fence or how about meeting with the North Vietnamese while still in the service.  Oh, and how about his claim about beheading and Ghengis Khahn wannabes? 

12 Jimmy, Gore most emphatically DID NOT win the election.  A number of newspapers including the NYTimes ran those numbers time and time again trying to see if Gore won.  Running them EXACTLY like Gore sued to count, he lost.  You can repeat that lie all you want, but he lost the electoral college vote and that is the only thing that counts in United States Presidential Elections.  And he is NOT the first to have won the popular ballot and lose the elections. 

13 I have no time to read let alone respond to such useless and frankly irrelevant drivel. The above rant embodies all of what's wrong about these sort of horserace contests, as I said. For the record, IMHO, the most noble thing John Kerry did was to return to the US and forcefully as well as eloquantly denouce the brutality and immorality if US policy in Vietnem. But GM Roper obviously prefers Chicknehawks like George Bush who made precisely zero sacrifices to Kerry's service in Vietnem, go figure.

14

BTW, if John Kerry actually met with the "North Vietnamese" while he was in service as Roper claims then I'd actually gain respect for him. The United States had no business bweing the inheritor to French colonilism, nor did the American people we, as Muhammad Ali put it, have any real beef with the Viet Cong.

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