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Coinkidinky!  I just posted on this--and with the photo, too.

I note that some Muslim groups in Canada are condemning this act of violence, the murder of a young woman.  Pardon me if I doubt that veracity and the strength of those condemnations.

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Our media here is dancing on those proverbial egg-shells over this latest atrocity. Gee, wonder why ?

This is about par for the course :

"Police have not commented on a possible motive and are keeping tight-lipped as to how the teen was attacked.

A spokesperson for the Peel District School Board said officials will look into the situation to see if there's something they can learn to help ease cultural transitions for students in the future.

"We will want to see what we can learn from this," Sylvia Link, the board's manager of communications told CTV.ca. "If there is anything that we can learn from this incident that will prevent it from happening in the future, we'll do what we can to keep our students safe."

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Yeah that will work out well, I'm sure. Maybe they can advise their 'special' students that really, perhaps, all things considered, it might be better to just go along with the family on these small little issues. WE(here in 'non-special' World), of course know that you wouldn't mean it but why make waves, eh ?

Comments  are disabled at all the large Canadian news sites due to the certain knowledge that the great unwashed will not perhaps be quite so doubtfull as to the 'motives', and might indeed have some pointed suggestions as to how these barbaric actions can perhaps be  "prevented from happening in the future".

Don't want to have any of those annoying 'simplistic' conclusions being drawn do we now ? All one big happy family.

Nothing to see here  ---- move on now. That's a good lad.

3 Doug, I don't know which is worse, the multi-culti bull that you note, or the complacency of the Muslim community; and seeing as there were 120+ murders of the same type in the western world last year I don't remember the outrage from Islam. 

4 I was going to mention just what Doug did -- they're already proclaiming that there's nothing to see here and that religion was not a factor.  In other words, "Don't question the Muslim.  You're not allowed."

5

Well I did give a head's up as to the Party Line that was going to be toed here. In the end it won't matter much what the 'media' wants to report. They really no longer determine reality. They can bend it a bit but they can't break it any longer.

Either those who can't be named get their little 'adjustment' problems under control and adhere to the cultural norms of the society that they are now part of, or -----. All the evasion and equivocation in the world won't prevent the 'masses' from drawing their own conclusions. In fact, the elite failure to 'address' the 'problem' will very likely mitigate against  the 'problem' being 'solved' in a responsible manner. Sweeping things under the carpet works only so long as the things don't continue to grow in their concealed environment.

Unhappily the elites refuse to adjust their mindsets in the face of objective reality. They believe that reality will thereupon magically confirm to their perception of it. I fear that they are pretty much Wrong.

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GM Roper writes:

``I don't remember the outrage from Islam.''

This can only mean one of two things:

GM Roper hasn't looked for the "outrage from Islam"

in which case he's brandishing his willful ignorance as a talking point in FAVOR of his views, or

his selection of media sources is so heavily biased it doesn't include the widespread, long-standing, vehement, clear protests of Muslim clerics, civic leaders and political activists against "honor killings" and related violence.

Spend two minutes on Google, GM and you you'll find dozens of examples of ``outrage from Islam.''

It's beyond ironic that the very people who without question gulp down the spoon fed anti-Muslim media that focuses exclusively on radicals are the same people who then go around accusing all Muslims of either being radicals are tolerating extremism.

Take at least 5 minutes to check it out, GM and you'll find that your canard about Muslims not condemning this sort of thing is pure garbage.

7 McLovin -- two points:

First, just because a few "condemn" this action, non-Muslims really don't put much faith in their words.  Muslims are now known for openly lying -- if those lies advance their faith.  Their own holy book TELLS them that's it's perfectly okay to lie if it helps advance the Muslim religion.  So the few condemnations really aren't too convincing.

Second, even a few condemn this action, that's really pointless.  Know what?  Lots of non-Muslims think it's not okay to kill your daughter.  But the Muslim religion DOES instruct it's followers to kill their own family if those family members insult their religion.  That's rather significant in this case, even if the media doesn't want to report it.

8 McLovin,

Yes, we do indeed see a growing number of Muslims and some Muslim organizations which condemn honor killings among other things.  However, this was not the norm for a long time and many asked that the Muslim community speak up and speak out against these injustices.  They were slow to respond, but now that they do, we should encourage that and help them spread that message.

The media is not helpful to these people either.  They give voice to organizations like CAIR all the time.  We all know what CAIR is.  We all know what Ibrahim Hooper is.  But because of the media we can quote almost verbatim everything bin Laden says, or the words of whoever the "Extremist Imam of the Week" is.

Yet, an organization like freemuslims.org can't seem to get their attention.  The media will decry "anti-Muslim sentiment" all the time, whether it's true or not but will do little to allay what is undeniably there.

Those that have the courage to speak out are voices in the wilderness.  You have to Google search them almost individually because you won't read about them in the NYT or hear about them on CNN, CBS, etc.

9 Methinks McLovin is Ahmed in disguse, perhaps its Meaty though.  Pulling up quotes from past posts is typical of both so its hard to tell. 

10 This kind of thing is becoming commonplace in Britain where they have a large number of Pakistani muslims.

<a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0707/p06s02-woeu.html">Britain examines 'honor killings'</a>

<a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1019/p04s01-woeu.html">Britain grapples with 'honor killing' practice</a>

<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/3149030.stm">"Honor Killing" Father Begins Sentence</a>

<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/5179162.stm">Two Given Life For Honour Killing</a>

And so on.  It's only a matter of time before more of these incidents rise to the nation's consciousness.  The only problem is - the media and the police are less likely to label it as a muslim offence because they don't want to 'offend' anyone.

11 Sorry; the links didn't come up the way they should.  

12 McLovin, it is called "Taqqiyah" (spelling may be a bit off) and it means it is ok to lie in furtherance of islam.  Until muslims, in a majority, stand up and actively fight against the extremists, and ostracize and punish the imams that are preaching muslim superiority and death to infidels we are under no obligation to even consider islam as a peaceful religion.

The koran says you are either an adherent to every word in the book, or you are an infidel worthy of subjugation, at best, and until islam has a reformation they are a threat, period, and honor killings are merely another symptom.

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Speaking of lying, I think there's plenty of it going on right here on this blog on this item in these posts. Either or that, or bald ignorance. Which is worse?

``The complacency of the Muslim community''

``I don't recall Muslim outrage.''

and so on.

But we know Muslims do battle extremist nonsense on a daily basis. In fact, millions of Muslims confront it politically as a life and death matter. In Pakistan, the battle between moderate and extremists Muslims is the number one political and military issue at the moment and it's shot through the courts, the military, the intelligence agencies and the government itself.

In Saudi Arabia, the government ruthlessly battles against al Qaeda elements while within the monarchy itself, moderates quietly, carefully try to push out the religious extremists from within.

Anyone who knows even the most basic facts about the Islamic world knows that this conflict has been going on between the moderate majority and tiny radical minority for decades.

In Indonesia, the biggest Muslim country, there's a constant battle going on between the government and Muslim extremists--one the extremists seem to be losing handily.

In Egypt, the Muslim brotherhood is outlawed and in fact suppressed brutally because the moderate Muslims in the government fear what would become of their country should the radicals gain a foothold.

This is just the surface. The theological battles within Islam are ongoing.

Read Bernard Lewis, ``The Crisis of Islam.'' He's a chauvinist, right-wing former adviser to Reagan and Bush, plus a pre-eminent scholar of the Middle East. I by no means agree with his all of his conclusions, but he paints a very substantive, comprehensive picture of the battle within Islam over interpreting the Koran.

He makes it clear that, in his view, the bin Ladenist view of Islam is wildly at odds with what the Koran and the Haditha actually say. Moreover, he demonstrates persuasively that most Muslim clerics are deeply at odds with the bin Ladenist interpretation of their faith.

I can't say the people here who deliver bastardized interpretations of the Koran saying it calls for lying are themselves liars because perhaps they are just repeating talking points out of total ignorance. It should at least seem obvious to any intelligent adult that no religiouis scriptures should be taken literally, including the Koran.

Lastly, it's really classic bigotry to assert that members of an ethnic or religious group are somehow responsible or required to explain or apologize or condemn acts they are not involved in.

The vast majority of Muslims on the planet would never dream of "honor killing" anyone, just as the vast majority of Christians would never dream of bombing a Federal Building or murdering a doctor who performed abortions.

So why should we demand that either Muslims or Christians see it as their duty to condemn the acts of radicals who have nothing to do with their actual religious faith?

We do not and should not expect American Christians in general to apologize for the atrocities committed by Phalangist Christian militias in Lebanon, for example. Or for Timothy McVeigh or for Fred Phelps and so on.

Nor do we have any right to insist that ordinary Muslims take any action to persuade anyone of the rather obvious fact that they are opposed to the radicals that are trying to destroy the peace and stability of their societies.

 

 

 

 

14 OK McLovin, in deference to the fact that GM runs a clean establishment here I will refrain from pointing out what a pin-headed moron you are or what a blindingly simple cretin you are proving yourself to be.

Check the daily news anywhere around the U.S. and when you see news about muslims it is invariably from CAIR whining about anti muslim bias.  It is rarely a muslim group coming out against extremists.

Go look up taqiyyah McMoron.  It is the belief that it is acceptable to lie in the advancement of islam and conceal ones beliefs:

"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah." (Surah 3:2guard yourself - is taqiyyaAs al-Tabbarah writes,


"Lying is not always bad, to be sure; there are times when telling a lie is more profitable and better for the general welfare, and for the settlement of conciliation among people, than telling the truth. To this effect, the Prophet says: 'He is not a false person who (through lies) settles conciliation among people, supports good or says what is good."28  

Now, mcmoron, go ye forth and learn the truth of your enemies.....and it seems to me that you may very well be an adherent to the religion of dirty goat herders......is that true mcDuh?  Do you stick your hindquarters in the air 5 times a day and pray to the moongod of the pedophile prophet?

Methinks your lil sheet may be wrapped too tightly, lil sheethead.

15 It is a rather interesting comment that McMoron makes about Saudi Arabia fighting al Qaeda.  They are funding the Wahhabi sect - bin Laden's sect - and erecting Wahhabi-ist mosques here in America.

They are doing the epitome of what al-takiyya is all about.  They smile in our faces, they hold hands with out leaders, and they send their people to instill sharia law in our country.

Muslims fought muslims during the 2001-2002 war in Afghanistan, that may be true.  Muslims have been fighting muslims for a long time, because it's mandated to fight the unbeliever wherever you find them.  Some sects, including Wahhabi, Sunni and Shiite, think they're the only true Islam, which makes all other muslims fair game to kill because that makes them 'unbelievers'.

I agree with Kender; they need to pull into the 21st century instead of dragging everyone else back to the 7th century.

And that includes living in the lands of the infidel by their own sharia law.  If they live in the lands of the infidel, they should live and let live...but muslims are supposed to prostheletize their faith, so what to do?

I personally don't want to live as a dhimmi under sharia law and pay the jizyah.  I'm willing to fight this culture war, even if people like the multiculturalist above are willing to make excuses for them.

Let's just say that the face you see and the face we see are two different faces," says Abdul Haq. "Believe me," adds Musa, "behind closed doors, there are no moderate Muslims."

16 Let me add something here, and I realize this sounds rather rough, but it is a damned honest assessment I have made from talking to hundreds, if not thousands of patriots.

When the war hits our streets, and it will, and the American people come to the conclusion that the federal government either can't or won't protect us from the enemy within, it is the apologists that will die first,  at the hands of the muslims as they attempt to conquer us,  from the patriots refusal to protect the apologists because we will be too busy protecting our own first and foremost.

If you are not standing against the muslims now, don't expect me to protect you from them later.

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It's telling the Kender envisages a Muslim takeover of America.

Does he some appeal in the extremist Islamic political program?

Does he have that little faith in the competence of the American military?

I have no doubt whatsoever but that radical Muslims have exactly zero chance of ever gaining enough of a foothold to pose a significant threat to America.

It's just not going to happen. They can't even takeover hell holes like Pakistan or Egypt or Algeria, where they have a great many advantages in terms of culture and logistics.

Why is it necessary for people like Kender to fantasize about the power and appeal of the radical Muslim extremists?

Their assertions that somehow, this tiny, poorly funded, disorganized, divided, suicidal pack of religioius freaks poses a credible threat are just baldly incredible. The bin Ladenists hold no territory and never have. Why does Kender think they ever will?

Is it his wildly fantastic belief in the appeal of Islam to ordinary Americans, or is it his wildly fantastic belief that ordinary Americans are incapable of defending the country against this fantasy army of bin Ladenists?

Terrorism will always be an issue, whether it comes from people like Timothy McVeigh or Mohammad Atta.

Weapons and communications technology are simply too advanced and too widely available to allow it to be possible to eliminate the threat of terrorism. We will have to live with it forever.

As for defending myself, I'm not too worried about people like Kender getting violent with me because they feel so defenseless intellectually, but even then, that's much more of a credible concern than the possibility that moderate Muslims are conspiring to take over the government.

 

 

18 "So why should we demand that either Muslims or Christians see it as their duty to condemn the acts of radicals who have nothing to do with their actual religious faith?"

Because that's just not true.  You, my friend, simply do not understand the Muslim religion.  Their open and stated goal is to take over the world.  That's what they do.  You denying that doesn't make it suddenly not true.

Their religion is based on fear and destruction.  Their religion IS about killing.  Their religion IS about honor killings.  Just because you, personally, don't want it to be, doesn't make it so.  I wish Muslims did not want to kill anyone who disagreed with them.  But they still do.  That IS their religion and nothing you can say will change that -- because it's what that religion has been doing for thousands of years.

19 Well Ogre, I suggest you investigate a little further.

20 Thank you to share, to write very nice