October 15, 2005
The PORK BUSTER Response From The 15th District of Texas
As many of you know, I wrote an article
(here) regarding the prolifigate spending by congress and the need to cut spending in order to be able to afford the cost of reconstruction following Katrina (and since, Rita). My letter to the Honorable Ruben Hinojosa is below:
Dear Congressman. As you are aware, President Bush has called for massive spending in the wake of the destruction caused by Hurricane Katrina. Too, it appears that Hurricane Rita may be headed for our own coast and may cause further destruction on a grand scale.
I am very concerned that the amounts proposed, while greatly needed are also budget busters of the first magnitude. I know that there is plenty of so called pork in the federal budget that can be cut for the betterment of society as a whole, and not for a particular congressional district. For example, the Transportation bill recently signed by President Bush contains millions of dollars for a bridge from Ketchikan, Alaska to an island of only 1500 persons. Sir, I've been to Ketchikan, the good people there almost brag about how difficult it is to get there, boat or plane, that is it. And yet, it is a thriving town, and quite beautiful as well. This bridge is a boondoggle of the worst sort.
I'm hoping you can identify and lead the charge to eliminate this and other pork spending so that as a unified country we will be in fact able to afford those things that need to be done vis-a-vis natural disasters.
I am a blogger, yes, one of those dreaded "pajama clad" folk who put their opinions out for everyone to see. But I am also a patriot and a citizen of a great congressional district, a great state and a magnificent country. I will be willing to put your answer on my blog as an update to a current post and as a singular post as you so desire.
Sir, we have much to do and not much time to do it. Won't you please take the lead and begin the process, get other Democrats and Republicans behind the effort to reform the budget, realign our priorities and get our house in order?
Sincerely
George Roper
GM's Corner (http://gmroper.com)"
That was sent on or about September 19, 2005 and I followed it with this comment about Mr. Hinojosa:
Ruben Hinojosa (D, 15th Congressional District) is a good man. His family has built H&H meats from a small business to a good sized operation with many, many employees. He, like many Democrats tend to spend too much, but he is also a patriot. Let's see what his response is. His only Republican opponent was in 1996 and '98 and though I am nominally a Republican, I've always supported Mr. Hinojosa. I've voted for Mr. Hinojsa each time he ran, let's see how his response is to this urgent matter."
Well, either Mr. Hinojosa has slipped, or he has hired incompetents to answer his mail~but ultimately, he is responsible for every piece of official mail that comes out of his office. Here is his response:
Dear Mr. Roper: Thank you for sharing your views on the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. As we continue to aid residents from the floodwaters and devastation of Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama it is crucial that they get the aid and assistance they so desperately need. The generosity of the American spirit is once again shining strong.
In Texas, shelters were constructed, citizens offered refuge in their extra bedrooms, school districts accepted students, people contributed money, corporations offered funds, and in many cases temporary employment. I applaud the generosity of so many Americans and urge them to continue offering assistance however they can. Our mission as a nation must be to help the least among us; the poor and disenfranchised that have been dramatically affected by Hurricane Katrina. This could have happened just as easily in Texas as in any other state, and before it happens again, we clearly need to investigate the response to this disaster.
Now is the time for Congress to focus on the relief and recovery efforts taking place in the Gulf Region and to do everything possible to help the victims. The federal response to this Disaster was far from adequate. We should appoint an independent commission to learn from the mistakes that were made and to guarantee that those mistakes never happen again. We owe this to the survivors and evacuees and to every American. Again, thank you for sharing your views with me. Please continue to inform me on maters of importance to you.
Sincerely,
Ruben Hinojosa
Member of Congress
Needless to say, I am more than disappointed in the response from my congressman. Not only are the points in my letter to him completely ignored, he takes off on a tangent asking for an "investigation" of the federal efforts. Did he not care about federal efforts when they were highly successful? Did he not care when Rita, only a few days later was handled quite well?
What the hell is going on here? Hackneyed letters in response to letters from a constituent on matters of national scope? Congressman Hinojosa, I'm going to have to think very hard before I vote for you again. Very hard!
Welcome
Instapundit readers. Write your congressman and let's all work on getting rid of some pork.
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Quit voting for Democrats. You think you find a good one, but then they all turn out to be the same. In this case, directing blame to the administration is the only concern he has--not your concerns.
Posted by: Woody at Saturday, October 15 2005 02:02 PM (v5VVJ)
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GM, sounds like another "case of the inappropriate form letter". Our family has encountered this (as when my daughter wrote the President) and I've also read other complaints about this.
My guess, for what it's worth, is that some staffer skimming quickly your letter saw "Katrina" in your first paragraph and quickly ran off the Katrina form letter.
I think this problem crosses party lines and involves both Democrats and Republicans. I don't know if our officials are understaffing their offices or if they really don't care to actually read and think about letters from ordinary citizens.
Your experience sounds more like an argument in favor of NVBOM.
Posted by: civil truth at Saturday, October 15 2005 04:05 PM (2eZsU)
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True, especially of late as the Democrats and their far left overlords have been circling the wagons, pressuring even their own moderate and conservative Democrats to carry the "party line," which seems to revolve totally around opposing the Admin, as they have nothing constructive to contribute to government policy.
At this point in time, trusting a Democrat politician might compare with the woman in that old song trusting the snake.
Posted by: Seth at Saturday, October 15 2005 04:16 PM (Knmb9)
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My last comment was to follow Woody's, hence "True,..."
Posted by: Seth at Saturday, October 15 2005 04:17 PM (Knmb9)
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I imagine the email and snail mail traffic to federal level politicians' offices must be staggering, too.
I actually knew someone who was trying to get an appointment at her local IRS offices and they were giving her the runaround. She sent a complaining email to the President.
A couple of days later, she actually got a call from someone in the White House telling her she had an appointment scheduled and when it was.
When she got to the IRS offices, they pretty much kissed her derriere, since everybody there knew her appointment had been scheduled by the White House.
Posted by: Seth at Saturday, October 15 2005 04:25 PM (Knmb9)
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GM, Why not make a fast phone call to the Congressman's local office and read your letter and his response. Ask why the Congressman did not respond to your letter.
I would note that more than two decades ago I sent a mailgram to each U.S. Senator. Of the 100, only about 20 replied. Of those who replied, most were completely off message. I was complaining about the horror of illegal drugs. Only one or two actually addressed the problem.
Form letters is mostly what you're going to get unless you are somehow unique....read: a possible threat to the politician's career.
Oh, yes, one piece of good news. A Marine was killed in the late RVN (this, of course, is really BAD news). His name was on the Wall. He was a legal immigrant (as a child) from Poland. His mother asked the State Department to make him a citizen, albeit posthumously. They declined as to be a citizen you must appear in person and swear your new allegience. I had just come home and still standing watching this story on the nightly news. I immediately walked to the phone and called Western Union. Without notes, I dictated a message to the President (Reagan). In two days, maybe it was one, the news reported that State had recanted. About three more days later I got a short note from the White House thanking me and telling the action that had been taken. Of course, it wasn't just me...doubtless many phoned, wrote and wired their displeasure. Anyway, some times the system works.
Posted by: tad at Sunday, October 16 2005 04:05 AM (/3UO1)
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Sad to see form letters like this�correspondence is not a forum for advertising. Fortunately, down here in New Zealand, we still have MPs who post personal replies via email or letter�after all the roasting I give politicians, they do get
some things right.
Posted by: Jack Yan at Monday, October 17 2005 09:55 AM (V99Mm)
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Ruben Hinojosa is an honorable man. He of course is beholden to the mainstream Democratic Party. However Hinojosa does contribute, even if in a small way, to a key problem with government: that is, those in office make money on their status.
Hinojosa is no different than other Congress persons in that he sees and takes advantage of his position in Congress to make money for himself. Now, I concede Mr. Hinojosa is honorable, honest. For example, compare Mrs. Tom Dachele who acts as a lobbyist during time her husband wields great power in Congress; she made millions in fees. By comparison, Hinojosa is saintly.
There is a point that illustrates the problem. Mr. Hinojosa went to Congress as a fairly rich man. His holdings in H & H Foods, the Mercedes meat processing and food distribution company that has been in his family since 1947, ran between $1 million and $5 million, according to a recent financial disclosure form.
Hinojosa does not reveal the exact amount of stock, nor his percentage ownership in H & H Foods. The reason for this omission becomes relevant when you consider that Hinojosa is the vice-president of H & H Foods and is active in management. For example, recently H & H Foods introduced a line of breakfast tacos, tamales and cheese sauce enriched with an odorless, tasteless fish oil high in Omega-3, considered to be a nutritious fat that lowers cholesterol levels. The products, and other Omega 3 enriched foods, are targeted for school lunches.
H & H Foods did $3.08 million worth of business in 2003 with the United States Department of Agriculture, which runs the federal lunch program, according to figures available on the department’s Web site. Congressman Hinojosa also received $20,000 in consulting fees from H & H, according to his financial disclosure form.
Are the two connected? Maybe there is an honest explanation. But, why shouldn't we expect our elected officials to act so there is no appearance of any impropriety, no chance of any conflict of interest? If this was the norm, it might be easier to precipitate a reponse from our elected officials like Hinojosa when a call is made to act in the common good.
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September 29, 2005
Federal Response to Louisiana Governor on Katrina
Pres. Bush forwards Gen. Honore's inquiry to Gov. Blanco
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Gov. Blanco Sticks Up Senators: "No Questions. Hand Over Your Wallets"
Marriage and politics and crime have some common threads.
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Husband...Did I see that your car has been wrecked?!
Wife.........I don't want to talk about it.
Husband...Don't you think I deserve an explanation?
Wife.........No, and that's not why I came to you.
Husband...Well, what do you want?
Wife.........I want money for a new car.
Husband...Who do you think I am...a Republican senator?
Wife.........Give me the money or I'll accuse you of abuse and desertion.
Husband...How much should I write the check for?
That pretty much sums up the
exchange between Louisiana's Democratic Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco and the Senate Finance Committee, which asked her to appear and respond to former FEMA Director Michael D. Brown's charge that Louisiana officials were "dysfunctional" in handling the Hurricane Katrina disaster. She said that she wouldn't answer any questions, they said okay, and she asked for $40 Billion for job creation in her state. No questions, but where's my check?
Let me make a suggestion. Rather than giving her $40 Billion, cut it in half, give it to all of Louisiana's residents, and let them retire in luxury. But, the rest of us can work the rest of our lives to pay for this--without even knowing what happened...and, we didn't even get kissed, and there's the crime.
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September 16, 2005
Tales from the Left - Sheehan: New Orleans is an "Occupied City"
I'm not going to say anything. I'm just speechless. When nuts from the left get vocal, their words alone are enough to make one just shake his head and walk away stunned. Well, here are recent comments about New Orleans from a
post by Hero of the Left--Cindy Sheehan, who showcases the intelligence and logic of that side so well.
One thing that truly troubled me about my visit to Louisiana was the level of the military presence there. But what I saw was a city that is occupied. I saw soldiers walking around in patrols of 7 with their weapons slung on their backs. I wanted to ask one of them what it would take for one of them to shoot me. Sand bags were removed from private property to make machine gun nests.
If George Bush truly listened to God and read the words of the Christ, Iraq and the devastation in New Orleans would have never happened. George Bush needs to stop talking, admit the mistakes of his all around failed administration, pull our troops out of occupied New Orleans and Iraq, and excuse his self from power.
...Just sounds of silence as I walk away and ponder the significance of those words.
Update: Much more information on this and other topics at
Stop The ACLU
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Okay, it doesn't start out to bad with "When nuts from the left get vocal...", because you at least seem to account for that fact that Sheehan doesn't speak for the left in general.
But then you follow up with "post by Hero of the Left--Cindy Sheehan, who showcases the intelligence and logic of that side so well", which is just plain nutty. Hero of the left? C'mon! And the `showcases' crack is just plain insulting. That would be comparable to me saying that all conservatives are whackjobs, based on what I hear Pat Robertson say.
The world is just not as black and white as you'd like it to be, Woody. Maybe you nned to get out more.
Posted by: jim hitchcock at Friday, September 16 2005 02:36 PM (TIhRv)
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Good grief. The Braves have lost 4 out of their last 5 games and now I get told off on top of that. Well, Jim, some of the comments are a little dramatic, I'll admit; but, surely, you've watched every left-wing site and the media rooting for Sheehan for months. They have been her cheering section. Sheehan is, in fact, a hero to the left, and her views are more ignorant than radical. Basically, she's plain stupid whereas Robertson is just dogmatic.
I sincerely thought of you when I was writing that and thought how sad that a sensible person like Jim gets identified with nuts like Sheehan. Honest. I don't blame you for distinguishing regular liberals from high octane liberals. I admit there is a difference, especially in expression, but they share the common thread of being wrong most of the time.
I'm going to start getting out tomorrow.
Posted by: Woody at Friday, September 16 2005 02:57 PM (v5VVJ)
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Okay, I'm somewhat mollified.
To be honest, I knew what you meant, but you gave me an opening, and I took it.
As you know, I pretty much stay clear of the left wing sites (as well as the hard right sites). It's just healthier.
It's a matter of perspective, but I don't see the media as cheering Sheehan on. Their just doing wat they do, reporting on a strange and entertaining story.If they report on Robertson saying that prayer helps steer hurricanes away, is that cheering him on, or just reporting?
(twisting the knife in further). Shut out by Pedro? What's up with that? The Dodgers scores 7 runs off him last time. The freackin' Dodgers!
Posted by: jim hitchcock at Friday, September 16 2005 03:17 PM (TIhRv)
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...They're just doing what...
Posted by: jim hitchcock at Friday, September 16 2005 03:18 PM (TIhRv)
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Jim, I wonder how you can honestly say you don't see the media cheering Sheehan on. They have been all over this lady with coverage of everything she has said REGARDLESS of how stupid it sounds. They call on her again, and again, and again. The left (and some of us on the right) rants (justifibly in my humble opinion) about the amount of Aruba coverage but don't see anything wrong with the Sheehan coverage. Come on, even you aren't that radicalized a liberal.
Updated: James Taranto writing at Best of The Web Today said: Mrs. Sheehan, originally a sympathetic figure, is now merely a pathetic one, and we're inclined to ignore her totally, except that we keep remembering all those Angry Left types who, a few short weeks ago, were declaring that she had "absolute moral authority" and was going to transform American politics. If thinking about that doesn't give you a good, deep, soul-cleansing laugh, nothing will."
Posted by: GM Roper at Friday, September 16 2005 04:10 PM (0CqNu)
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That's a pretty good comparison, actually. I view the Sheehan coverage a lot like the Aruba coverage...piffle.
It's kind of like the Heidelberg Principle, isn't it? The act of observing changes the results.
Posted by: jim hitchcock at Friday, September 16 2005 04:24 PM (TIhRv)
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Shame on the media and a portion of the left for exploiting Cindy, a women who obviously is suffering from mental illness. The ACLU and the ADA should be out there defending her against the left media exploiting her disabilities like they are...
Posted by: Carla at Friday, September 16 2005 05:21 PM (5ZHYE)
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Its actually kind of sad the way she is struggling to hold on to the spotlight. Honestly though, Michael Moore is about the only person in America who still cares about this woman. HuffPo and some others let her post still, but only MM is really promoting her, even encouraging people to give not to the Red Cross, but to the sham organization (VFP) Cindy's affiliated with instead.
Good to see she's just getting wackier as her 15 minutes runs out.
Posted by: Scott at Saturday, September 17 2005 04:12 AM (2PoNS)
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Scott, Michael Moore doesn't care about anyone but himself. Casey Sheehan's mother is just another person for him to use until he gets what he wants.
Posted by: Don Miguel at Saturday, September 17 2005 07:55 AM (UAn5X)
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Thanks for the birthday greetings George and I am also looking forward to working with the Wide Awakes.
When I was reposting my monthly FULL MOON calendar, I noticed it was in the midst of a cluster of Muther Sheehan stories.
Coincidence?
Better stock up on garlic, holy water and silver bullets. Apparently crosses have no effect on the monster.
http://mikesamerica.blogspot.com/#112443496448758284
Posted by: Mike's America at Saturday, September 17 2005 09:03 AM (SHL+1)
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I've looked up Cindy's full post and other commentary on the web. It looks like she may be getting into deep water over this (no pun intended).
Start Here (and check the articles on the right side too).
My reaction to all this, though, is not anger but sorrow. Instead of finding healing, Cindy's interactions with her "supporters" seem to be only intensifying her anger. Instead of finding solace in helping people in New Orleans, it only seems to be another launching point for her to lash out. She needs our prayers.
Posted by: civil truth at Saturday, September 17 2005 11:25 AM (2eZsU)
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OK, I won't comment on the KOS kids or the Air America gushing. I won't even talk about the creative editing that was done while covering Mother Cindy to attempt to make her look more rational. I just want to address one thing, the effect you were attempting to name was not the Heidelburg Principle, it was not a principle at all it was as stated an effect. While you were close on the city it wasn't Heidelburg although the town outside Chicago does start with an H.
Go back and check your psych book from freshman year.
Oh what the heck do I know anyway, I am just one of those uneducated, baby killing soldiers that Miss Cindy loves to hate...
Posted by: SSG_K at Saturday, September 17 2005 05:16 PM (xFecw)
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Civil, it is the Hawthorne Effect.
Posted by: SSG_K at Saturday, September 17 2005 05:18 PM (xFecw)
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I was interested in how observing something changes it. I have read about this in physics, which is what CT covered and Jim meant with the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. It is interesting that just observing or measuring the action of a particle can change it.
However, I looked up the Hawthorne Effect that SSG_K mentioned in human studies, which shows employees increasing productivity by wanting to please those watching.
I don't have a name for what is influencing Sheehan, but I suspect that it is something other than those two ideas. She loves attention and likes to feel important. She does what she does because of the attention she receives--wanting to please herself rather than someone else. If the press goes away and the attention goes away, she crawls back into her hole. That need for this level of attention shows a personality disorder (as someone untrained in the field sees it.) I don't give Sheehan any more credit than that.
Going further, people's actions are influenced by praise or pain that go along with it. We see this every time the left praises someone from the right who takes a "courageous" action--meaning that they do something for the left and against the right. It is a cowardly or treasonous action if someone from the left moves to the right. Compare how Colin Powell gets treated when he criticizes Bush vs. how Zell Miller gets treated when he criticizes the Democrats. If someone lacks principles or courage, he can let the press influence him futher than he would normally go. I don't have a fancy name for that.
However, in most of these cases, what I see is that the press no longer reports news but manufactures it--in even greater quantities. That to me no longer makes them reporters but makes them the stories--and that deserves coverage for which they are too dishonest or too cowardly to present.
Posted by: Woody at Sunday, September 18 2005 10:22 AM (v5VVJ)
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Sorry, guys, I stand by what I stated: the Heidelberg Principle.
But it was a joke. Geez...
Posted by: jim hitchcock at Sunday, September 18 2005 11:32 AM (JROsA)
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Jim, I hate to sound dense, but I still don't get it. I know that it has to be funny, but can you help me?
Posted by: Woody at Sunday, September 18 2005 01:41 PM (v5VVJ)
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Jim, are you
sure you didn't mean
Hindenberg instead of Heidelberg?
Posted by: civil truth at Sunday, September 18 2005 02:10 PM (2eZsU)
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Oh, hell. Civil was right the first time. Heisenberg.
Woody, it was a rotten joke. I think I better stop now.
Posted by: jim hitchcock at Sunday, September 18 2005 02:24 PM (0y+ms)
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Will $200 Billion for N.O. Cover Slave Reparations? Ask the Brotherhood. Who?
Sometimes another person can say something that I can't because they have better standing or authority to address an issue. That is the case with
slave reparations, which were proposed after the War Between the States and are still on the agenda for many. A blogger who is black and conservative addresses the issue of reparations and suggests that those who demand them can thank Hurricane Katrina, which will direct over a now estimated $200 billion for residents in a town that is over two-thirds black. He can say it--and has. You can imagine the comments if I said the same things.
Another connected point is that many people assume that blacks have to be liberal and Democrat or must be water boys for the Republicans. The author of the subject doesn't fit those descriptions and is part of a group of black, conservative bloggers called
The Conservative Brotherhood, which describes itself as follows:
The Conservative Brotherhood is a group of African American writers whose politics are on the right hand side of the political spectrum. Expanding the dialog beyond traditional boundaries, they seek to contribute to a greater understanding of African Americans and America itself through advocacy and commentary.
It's refreshing to read the points of view that this group provides, and I admire their determination to say what they believe rather than say what is expected simply because of their race.
Back to the first point, that of reparations and the hurricane,
Michael D. Cobb Bowen expresses his views as follows:
Say Thank You, Dammit
Now is the time for all good Reparationists to thank God for Katrina and thank George W. Bush for 60 Billion dollars.
Over at Booker Rising, an interesting angle cropped up on the matter of Reparations and Republicans. But my angle is this: Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana are basically the heart of Dixie. Anybody and everybody knows that most of the blackfolks who live there represent those too unfortunate to migrate. I'll state it plainly. If you didn't get out in the Civil War and you didn't get out after the failure of Reconstruction, and you didn't get out during the Great Migration of the 1920s and you didn't get out in the Civil Rights Movement and you are still stuck in the South and poor and black...DAMN!
Now let's say you didn't get out in Katrina either. Symbolically, is there anyone more oppressed and downtrodden and left behind than poor blackfolks who have, since Slavery, missed five generational opportunities to leave Dixie? I mean, DAMN!
Now I'm going to jump on the rhetorical bandwagon of one of my idiot commenters for a moment to make a point:
70 percent of New Orleans is African American. ...These are the people who are going to reap the benefits of SIXTY BILLION DOLLARS OF FEDERAL AID, FREE!. Those blackfolks from New Orleans typify the beneficiaries of those dollars that America just can't seem to give away fast enough. Unless Osama bin Laden drops a nuke on Harlem there is never going to be another opportunity for poor black people to get free Federal Aid on this scale for 100 years. THIS is Reparations.
...Anyway, this is what I'm thinking. Reparations is now. As they used to say around the way, if you're slow, you blow. You better recognize. And say thank you to your president, the Compassionate Conservative who cares about 60 Billion dollars worth.
The entire post can be found
here at Cobb's site. While you are there, you might want to check out some of
Cobb's other entries and cartoons, or those by some
other members of the brotherhood.
By being their own persons, and smart, these bloggers can help enhance communication not only between races, but for something perhaps harder--understandings and changes within the black culture.
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You can imagine the comments if I said the same things.
Cobb is a goober, too.
Posted by: Michael B at Sunday, September 18 2005 02:00 AM (Z3Uge)
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For those who don't recognize Michael B., he is a commenter from a liberal site where I used to post, until I quit visiting there due to their use of personal attacks in lieu of facts and analysis and their lack of respect for opposing opinions. That pattern of "debate" by the left is something that has been discussed on this site before and has been expererienced by many on the right who tried to honestly engage the left, only to find that the left's debate style evolves to name calling and figurative shouting until you leave. Now, suprisingly (maybe not) after a couple of weeks, Michael B. has followed me over here to press on that style on our site, where such tactics violate our rules for commenting. Okay, that's sufficient for introductions.
Michael B., when I signed off the site that I mentioned above, I didn't go back to see if anyone commented on my leaving because the comments from many liberals, especially those from you, didn't rise to the level of intelligent discussion, used personal attacks (that I suspect that you consider "cute,") and didn't warrant my concern because of their failure to show intelligent debate.
Over here, you see that we welcome and respect all views, but we don't accept "cute" personal attacks or disrespect for views and ideas. If you can follow our rules for commenting, then you are welcome to stay. If you can't, then you might feel more comfortable sticking within the safe confines of liberal sites.
If you have a comment about Cobb's view, other than that he is also a goober, which you called me in the past, then share it. Otherwise, stick to reading rather than commenting. You still might learn something.
Posted by: Woody at Sunday, September 18 2005 02:53 AM (v5VVJ)
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As Owner of the Site, I fully concur with Woody and strongly endorse his stand.
Posted by: GM Roper at Sunday, September 18 2005 03:34 AM (0CqNu)
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You guys are sooooo sensitive...
Posted by: Michael B at Monday, September 19 2005 12:05 AM (AYSZn)
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Michael B., I think that if you look at it objectively, you will find that it is the left that is overly sensitive about many things and always demanding apologies. I simply choose not to waste my time with immature and counter-productive comments, as I have explained to you before.
It isn't a matter of being offended, because your calling me the names that you have shows ignorance not on my part; and, after multiple attempts to engage the left on their sites in reasonable discourse, I have run out of patience. We like to have fun, but you've come in so late in the game with the same "humor" we've heard before that, by itself and with nothing of substance, it is tiresome.
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September 14, 2005
Democratic N.O. Congressman Redirects Rescue Efforts - Saves Laptop!
Rep. William Jefferson, D-La., who represents New Orleans, led a
daring mission at the height of the flood crisis to help an African-American resident of New Orleans to salvage his possessions and to be evacuated. The complex mission involved a five-ton military truck, six National Guard military police, a Coast Guard rescue helicopter, the pilots, a rescue swimmer, then an additional truck with soldiers, and hours of time--but, it accomplished what this Democratic congressman wanted: to get to HIS OWN house to save HIS OWN possessions and to return HIMSELF safely. Oh, he cares! He wasn't sitting around like George Bush and FEMA--no sir!
Here are excerpts along with a link to the ABC News report:
Amid Katrina Chaos, Congressman Used National Guard to Visit Home (
Excerpted)
By JAKE TAPPER (Sarah H. Rosenberg, Chris Isham and Ted Gerstein contributed)
ABCNEWS.com, 09/13/2005
Amid the chaos and confusion that engulfed New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina struck, a congressman used National Guard troops to check on his property and rescue his personal belongings � even while New Orleans residents were trying to get rescued from rooftops, ABC News has learned.
Military sources tells ABC News that Jefferson, an eight-term Democratic congressman, asked the National Guard that night to take him on a tour of the flooded portions of his congressional district. (D)uring the tour, Jefferson asked that the truck take him to his home on Marengo Street, in the affluent uptown neighborhood in his congressional district. According to Schneider, this was not part of Jefferson's initial request.
Jefferson went into the house alone, the source says, while the soldiers waited on the porch for about an hour. Finally, according to the source, Jefferson emerged with a laptop computer, three suitcases, and a box about the size of a small refrigerator, which the enlisted men loaded up into the truck.
'I don't think there is any explanation for an elected official using resources for their own personal use, when those resources should be doing search and rescue, or they should be helping with law enforcement in the city,' said Jerry Hauer, a homeland security expert and ABC News consultant.
Jefferson said the trip was entirely appropriate. 'This wasn't about me going to my house. It was about me going to my district,' he said.
The Louisiana National Guard tells ABC News the truck became stuck as it waited for Jefferson to retrieve his belongings. The soldiers signaled to helicopters in the air for aid. Military sources say a Coast Guard helicopter pilot saw the signal and flew to Jefferson's home. The chopper was already carrying four rescued New Orleans residents at the time. A rescue diver descended from the helicopter, but the congressman decided against going up in the helicopter, sources say. The pilot sent the diver down again, but Jefferson again declined to go up the helicopter.
After spending approximately 45 minutes with Jefferson, the helicopter went on to rescue three additional New Orleans residents before it ran low on fuel and was forced to end its mission. 'Forty-five minutes can be an eternity to somebody that is drowning, to somebody that is sitting in a roof, and it needs to be used its primary purpose during an emergency,' said Hauer.
The Louisiana National Guard then sent a second 5-ton truck to rescue the first truck, and Jefferson and his personal items were returned to the Superdome.
(Lt. Col. Pete Schneider of the Louisiana National Guard) said he could not comment on whether the excursion was appropriate. 'We're in no position to comment on an order given to a soldier. You're not going to get a statement from the Louisiana National Guard saying whether it was right or wrong. That was the mission we were assigned.'
In an unrelated matter, authorities recently searched Jefferson's property as part of a federal investigation into the finances of a high-tech firm. Last month FBI officials raided Jefferson's house as well as his home in Washington, D.C., his car and his accountant's house. Jefferson has not commented on that matter, except to say he is cooperating with the investigation. But he has emerged as a major voice in the post-Katrina political debate.
It's interesting that the congressman's name is
William Jefferson. Don't we know someone else whose name begins with that? Read the complete article for the congressman's side of the story; and, I guess that we can trust any story from a Democrat named William Jefferson--as long as he doesn't wag his finger at us when he tells it.
Anyway, now that the Democrat congressman has ventured into the flood and the mud, let's hope that he won't be flinging any more of it at Republicans and the federal response.
(Note: Don't look for this story on CNN or CBS.)
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Sounds like we have a lot of conflicting stories coming out of Louisiana these days. And they're not mildly conflicting. They're complete opposite ends of the spectrum. I'm sure there'll be more to come.
Posted by: Oyster at Wednesday, September 14 2005 09:46 AM (fl6E1)
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Hey! Guess where I saw it! On CNN! Yikes!
If that paragraph constitutes an abuse of the exclamation mark, forgive me. But I do so enjoy tweaking my friend Woody.
Posted by: jim hitchcock at Wednesday, September 14 2005 11:01 AM (1d8yn)
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Jim! CNN covered this just to make me look wrong! That's how devious they are. I promise that I even went to their web site and couldn't find this covered in any of their news before I wrote that.
Question. Did they take up for the congressman or blame it on Bush?
I wonder how many people would do the same thing if they thought that they wouldn't get caught.
Posted by: Woody at Wednesday, September 14 2005 12:01 PM (t7ur8)
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I wonder, was the Congressman perhaps trying to regain possession of incriminating evidence before the law got their hands on it? Or did he need the laptop to keep his "enterprises" going? I guess we may never know...
Oh, I just checked the full ABC News article, and it looks like the feds have the same question.
A senior federal law enforcement source tells ABC News that investigators are interested in learning if Jefferson moved any materials relevant to the investigation. Jefferson says he did not.
Of course if he did, I'm sure he would be eager to admit it.
It's also interesting that none of the Guardsman received a reprimand for NOT rescuing people when two Navy pilots did receive a reprimand for rescuing people. (Thanks to Mustang for this report.)
Strange world we live in!
Posted by: civil truth at Wednesday, September 14 2005 02:56 PM (2eZsU)
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They pretty much just layed it out like you did, Woody, and then gave Boss Hogg a chance to defend himself, during which he said "blah, blah, blah blah blah, erp, blah blah", therein prving his innocence
Posted by: jim hitchcock at Wednesday, September 14 2005 03:30 PM (h9mmN)
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Well, okay. He's innocent, so I guess we can retract the story. As least he proved that he wasn't a racist by helping a black man, even if it was himself.
Right now, I have bigger worries. The Braves are letting their big lead in the NL East slip away. Our pitching is hurting and the bullpen is awful.
Posted by: Woody at Wednesday, September 14 2005 03:38 PM (t7ur8)
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You know, if the guy had used all those resources to rescue his dog, I think I'd give him a pass. But to rescue his stuff? No way.
Posted by: jim hitchcock at Wednesday, September 14 2005 04:01 PM (h9mmN)
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I was just thinking...what if that wasn't really his house and he was just looting a laptop and jewelry from someone else. Maybe a television set was in the box. Hmmmmmmm.
Posted by: Woody at Wednesday, September 14 2005 05:15 PM (v5VVJ)
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Wonder what's on that laptop's hard drive? Or in the refrigerator box he needed help with? Stacks of paper are awfully heavy....better to get that stuff out before the reconstruction begins where someone else might find it.
He should have just stuffed them in his pants and socks, then no prob.
Posted by: Scott at Thursday, September 15 2005 03:56 AM (2PoNS)
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Scott, I think this just goes to show once again that brilliant minds think alike! [
supra]
Posted by: civil truth at Thursday, September 15 2005 04:45 AM (2eZsU)
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Of course Jefferson wasn't going to go up in the helicopter and leave behind that refrigerator. What was in it? Last time the FBI raided his house they found cash stashed in a freezer.
This is a shocking disgrace! I understand that helicopter probably felt it had a duty to offer the Congressman assistance. Imagine the hell at HQ if the Congressman complained.
But the poor folk in the helicopter and those waiting to be rescued have rights too.
This story is further proof, as if any were needed, that there is one standard of conduct for Democrats and another for the rest of us.
Posted by: Mike's America at Thursday, September 15 2005 05:13 PM (SHL+1)
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"This story is further proof, as if any were needed, that there is one standard of conduct for Democrats and another for the rest of us."
Really? Tell me all about Ton DeLay, why dont'cha.
Posted by: jim hitchcock at Thursday, September 15 2005 06:13 PM (Sf1Tt)
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I've read some more on the Congressman. Seems he stores large amounts of cash in his freezer. Hey, that's a plan what with the pesky banks reporting all deposits over $10,000. Yessir, nothing like a real servant of the people.
Posted by: tad at Friday, September 16 2005 01:55 AM (oKpHD)
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Cash in his freezer? Maybe he gets his "cold cash" from moving hot jewelry and laptops.
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September 13, 2005
CNN Coaches Reporters and Guests to "Get Angry" with Bush
The
Drudge Report blew the whistle on
CNN, which is manipulating reactions of its reporters and guests.
CNN has been coaching guests and commentators to "get angry" over the federal response to Hurricane Katrina. Why would they do that, and
is it proper for a news network to fabricate angry reactions to a disaster? Isn't this making up a story--or, could we say that "
the reactions, while fake, are accurate" similar to
"the documents while fake, are accurate."
Before I knew the reasons, I wondered why
CNN's Anderson Cooper was going
way over the top with his outrage and rants. Cooper's reporting became so bad and obnoxious that I started switching channels whenever he was put on the air. Of course, all of this is clearer now--and, I consider manipulation of the news by the media as unacceptable from professional and ethical standpoints.
The Washington Times reported this as follows, which provides more explanation and motives:
Twisting the news
Los Angeles Times pundit Michael Kinsley, who used to work for CNN, says the network is coaching guests to 'get angry' when they go on the air to discuss Hurricane Katrina. Mr. Kinsley said...'A Los Angeles Times colleague of mine, appearing on CNN last week to talk about Katrina, was told by a producer to "get angry."' CNN's political stance was more or less confirmed by a New York Times article yesterday that suggested CNN host Anderson Cooper was heroic for scolding a Democratic senator who failed to condemn the Bush administration.
(
Footnote Update: Subsequent to his statement above, Michael Kinsley has been
forced out at the Los Angeles Times.)
Others that have explored this CNN strategy, from both sides, include
Trey Jackson and
Power Line on the right and
Slate,
Crooks and Liars, and
Reality Based Nation on the left. You can scan them to see which sources best identify with your values.
So, what will CNN say or do about this? Likely, nothing. But, that didn't stop me from expressing my displeasure about its breach of trust and unethical conduct, and I let them know. Unlike CNN, I'm not suggesting that you "get angry," but if you feel upset or disappointed by this news source that you thought that you could trust, then you can let them know by going to the
CNN site for comments and feedback. It might make you feel better to express your views to them and it might, just might, influence how they report in the future.
CNN should know that instructions to reporters to act angry might have the effect of making viewers angry.
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Ahh CNN...The Coomunist news network LOL
I have never considered them fair or balanced or anything even remotely like it. The programming sucks and I hate the anchors-they are all actors trying to make it big. Not real journalists...
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Posted by: Mike's America at Wednesday, September 14 2005 05:47 PM (SHL+1)
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M.A., thanks for the link about Kinsley. I can't believe that his article was rational and acceptable. The LA Times can't have any of that!
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September 12, 2005
Guns and Butter; Partie Deux (Part Two)
I have a confession to make; I read the Wall Street Journal both the dead tree version and the online version. I guess that makes me a capitalist toadie. Or maybe a Capitalist Running Dog! Or perhaps a member of the bourgeois with pretensions of becoming rich someday.
Well, OK, I am all of the above. What is more, I'd love to see all of the world equal or exceed that. Of Course, I know that that won't happen, but I can dream can't I. Well, for the nonce at any rate. Next week I'll be 59, perhaps a little late for riches, unless I win the Texas Lotto.
But all that aside, I'm upset with my president. I'm upset with congress, I'm upset with the whole idea of the way the federal dollar is being spent. Misspent perhaps.
I've been having a series of conversations with my beloved Uncle. In a recent e-mail, he noted that he used to be a Republican; back when the Republicans stood for fiscal restraint, good business principles etc. Can't fault him for that. I choose to stay in the Republican Party and work for change within, I'm
NOT one happy camper at this moment.
Congress is spending money like a bunch of drunken sailors - in fact, I think maybe the afore mentioned sailors do better. The President seems disinclined to reign them in, and has yet to veto a single spending bill.
NOT ONE!!!! And that scares the hell out of me. The recent transportation bill is a good example. As I told my Uncle, it was so loaded with Pork that I understand the Armour Company was thinking of purchasing it.
Can't you just see it, Canned Congressional Pork [Note, no Armour Star Products were harmed in the making of this photograph.] But, I digress. The transportation bill contains funding for a bridge in Alaska, essentially going to somewhere where no one except a few local inhabitants want to go. Yet, it is spending, jobs, etc. But, good lord people!
John Fund writing in the Wall Street Journal wonders if President Bush has the huevos to do what FDR and Truman did; Cut spending when a national crisis occurs. Now, some of you may be offended by my use of the word uevos meaning testicles or balls, but I'm from Texas and that gives mhe a certain amount of freedom, plus, being an author of this blog I claim a little artistic license AND, I'm ticked off.
Fund states:
With almost no debate and with precious few provisions for oversight, Congress has passed President Bush's mammoth $62 billion request for emergency Katrina relief. House Speaker Denny Hastert says the final total will "probably [be] under the cost of the highway bill" that Congress passed last month with a pricetag of $286.4 billion.
Despite such sums, there are few calls for offsetting cuts in other programs, apart from antiwar opportunists who see in Katrina a chance to undermine the Iraq effort."
Moreover, he is absolutely correct. The majority of those who are calling for spending cuts have also voted in the large pork measures that we have been seeing over the Bush presidency and the last years of the Clinton presidency and are only now calling for cuts because they think it will score political points in the fight against the fight as it were. Actually, these folk don't give a damn about spending, they just want to torpedo the war fighting in Iraq and, as a result, the people of Iraq and perhaps the whole middle east.
Fund goes on to say:
Neither the White House nor Congress appears to be in any mood, for example, to revisit the highway bill's 6,373 "earmarks," or individual projects for members, worth $24.2 billion. Alaska's Rep. Don Young, chairman of the House Transportation Committee, has bragged that the bill is "stuffed like a turkey" with goodies for his state. It includes $721 million for Alaska, including a $2.2 million "bridge to nowhere" connecting the town of Ketchikan (population 8,900) to an airport on Gravina Island (population 50). Another bridge, in Anchorage, has a $200 million price tag and is considered such a marginal project that even the Anchorage Chamber of Commerce opposes it.
Families hit by any disaster realize they have to reassess their situation and change their circumstances. There was a time when the nation acted the same way. After Pearl Harbor, the country sprang into action to win the war against Japan and Germany. But it realized that the old way of doing things wouldn't do. Dramatic changes in government policy resulted."
Did you get that, FDR a Democrat changed government policy to face a new reality. Here's what he did according to Fund: He cut spending.
Wow, did that resonate with anyone, he
CUT SPENDING. According to Fund:
Less well known is FDR's decision to slash non-defense spending by over 20% between 1942 and 1944. Among the programs that were eliminated entirely were FDR's own prized creations. By 1944, such pillars of the New Deal as the Civilian Conservation Corps, the National Youth Administration and the Work Projects Administration had been abolished. In 1939 those three programs had represented one-eighth of the federal budget. Roosevelt and the Congress of his day knew what to do in an emergency."
Fund states that Truman did the same thing during the Korean war.
I've noted in past posts
here and made some "modest" suggestions as to how to remedy the situation.
1. Cut Taxes on Corporations, because when you increase corporate taxes, the corporations only pass along those taxes to the consumers who do not need any more outgo of their own pocketbooks.
2. Tax Wealth, not Income. I would be willing to bet that the Soros and Kennedy types would squeal like stuck pigs then.
3. Perhaps cut the tax rate on income to a flat tax, but tax all personal income. For those below an agreed on poverty level, they will get a refund.
4. Abolish federal withholding. When each taxpayer has to make a monthly â€Å“tax depositâ€ÂÂ� to cover their income taxes, the outcry will go up demanding fiscal responsibility.
5. Abolish deficit spending and any congressional trick used to pass a spending resolution without having to do the work necessary for a real budget, tie specific deficit authorizations to national emergencies such as natural disasters (Florida Hurricanes, Terrorist Attacks, War, etc., etc.)
6. Abolish all federal spending on anything that is not in the national interest (this alone would eliminate 90% of the pork methinks, though I’m not sure of that).
7. Set time limits on entitlements and require a â€Å“sunset reviewâ€ÂÂ� one year before the limit arrives. Only if the entitlement is truly needed may it be continued.
Now, I have no idea at all if these steps will work, but they are based on fairly sound principles, and the laughter of the tax and spend-a-holics at the Laffer curve be damned.
EVERY TIME taxes have been cut, revenues have gone UP.
Mr. President, I'm really ticked off at you for not vetoing some of these crap spending bills. It's time to not just mimic some famous democrats (remember your support of JFK's tax cuts), but to incorporate some principles of FDR and HT and cut spending so that we can afford what we really need. Oh,
and do it now!
/rant!
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i've been saying all along that Bush has perveted the values of true conservatives...nice to see that awareness is crossing party lines.
And a premature happy birthady to GM (let us know when you qualify as an old fart
). I suspect you have all the riches you require.
Posted by: jim hitchcock at Monday, September 12 2005 06:20 PM (rSvmM)
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Jim, you missed the point entirely (well, you ARE a democrat) the point isn't that Bush perverted the values of true conservatives, the point is that the Republicans in congress have gone on a power trip and spending spree and so far Bush hasn't had the juevos to call them on it.
Would you say that St. Jimmy of Carter "perverted" the Democratic values because he was incompetent? Or that JFK, LBJ and WJC perverted the Democratic values because they were hedonists? (actually, those are the democrat values aren't they? ;-)
Posted by: GM Roper at Tuesday, September 13 2005 01:13 AM (0CqNu)
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What point did I miss? Congress is doing what it always has done...layed on the pork and all the trimmings. It's the Presidents job to take out red pencil and trim the fat, ans Bush has failed miserably at that. Hey, I realize the last time we saw a balanced budget was during the Clinton presidency, but wouldn't you agree that (at least once upon a time) a balanced budget was a true conservative value? Hell, even Grover Norquist would agree with that.
A balanced budget is ultimately the responsibility of the dude in the oval office. Guess he's a little too busy sharing happy meals with China to realize that.
Posted by: jim hitchcock at Tuesday, September 13 2005 02:29 AM (6+A8I)
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I somewhat agree with Jim that Bush is not the fiscal conservative that I would like him to be. He just gives in to any spending programs as if fighting them takes too much political capital. If Bush proposes a 10% increase in spending and the Democrats propose a 20% increase, then the Democrats say that Bush is slashing program spending by 50%, even though both are increases. So, why waste time arguing over something for which you're going to catch grief and eventually lose, except that it's real money.
On G.M.'s proposal to stop withholding taxes so that people would really feel the tax pain as they write their checks...that would work, which is why it isn't done. The withholding tax was passed as a temporary measure during WWII to increase cash flow even if it didn't increase tax rates. That temporary measure is still going 60 years later.
People are so stupid that if you ask them how much they paid in taxes when they file their tax returns, some will say nothing because they're getting a refund. They fail to look at the line that says "Total Taxes", and they think that the government is giving away something to them with a refund. To them I say, "IT'S YOUR OWN MONEY, STUPID!"
As we learned in Econ 101, you can't have guns & butter without consequences. I heard that Paul Volker will retire in January. At that point, it's possible that inflation will rev back up.
Posted by: Woody at Tuesday, September 13 2005 04:33 AM (t7ur8)
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Woody, Is this a test? I do believe you mean Alan Greenspan vice Paul Volker, eh? Volker is in the mode of putting the UN and all the bandits therein for the corruption they have been practicing lo these many years.
Do note this when they ask for your money for UNICEF cards.
Regards,
Tad
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I remember while growing up reading the Republican Party's advertisments denouncing RED INK! in capital letters. But the Barry Goldwater was defeated in 1964, and we got guns and butter, followed by national indigestion.
We now see in Congress a ongoing breakdown in party discipline. You know, watching our Congression representatives load up on pork, expecting someone else to eventually pay the bill, reminds me of the looting scenes in New Orleans after most of the police abandoned their post and some even joined in. And in Congress, the Speaker and Senate leaders have abandoned their posts, and the "Police Chief" (Mr. Bush) won't buck the tide.
Guess who's ultimately going to be paying for the damages caused by looting in New Orleans? Similarly, if our leaders keep running up the debt and we don't hold them accountable, someone else (the World Bank?) at some point is going to step in and take it out of our hides, just like in Argentina and many other countries -- and we will have lost a huge amount of our freedom and our place in the world.
Where is the true leader who will take charge, provide a vision, and rally our nation to sacrifice -- someone like Lt. Gen Honore. Mr. Bush certainly seems determined to shoot himself in the foot (Link via Martin Kramer).
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By the way, I read the whole WSJ essay yesterday and found it to be one of the best analyses I've seen a long time.
I've always felt it inconsistent that our leaders (of both parties) keep talking of a "War on Terrorism" but have utter failed to call upon our nation as a whole to make sacrifices, as we had done in every previous war prior to Vietnam and LBJ. John Fund has finally shouted out that the emperor has no clothers. Will we take up the cry? Or will we party on while the water level rises in the engine room of our sinking ship of state?
Posted by: civil truth at Tuesday, September 13 2005 07:12 AM (2eZsU)
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Thanks, Tad. Of course, I meant Greenspan. It was a senior moment.
Your suggestion about the UNICEF cards is interesting. On Halloween, instead of "Food for Oil" it can be "Candy for Corruption." Kofi can dress up and take two buckets--one for the kids and a bigger one for himself.
Posted by: Woody at Tuesday, September 13 2005 07:26 AM (t7ur8)
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Only in Texas would they spell `heuvos' `jeuvos'. D@mn Texans just have to be different.
GM, I'm not trying to be totally contrarian to your point about Congress. Our so called representatives from both sides of the aisle get away with this type of unfettered spending because they CAN.
We really do need another William Proxmire type to hold their feet to the fire. He did it best.
Posted by: jim hitchcock at Tuesday, September 13 2005 10:12 AM (Bn7Z6)
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I enjoyed Proxmire's Golden Fleece Awards.
Posted by: Woody at Tuesday, September 13 2005 10:38 AM (t7ur8)
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The pork is cooking big time in Congress, and this Hurricane relief crap is adding more fat to the frying pan. I am upset too GM. SO much so that I wrote to my reps and asked them to NOT be a part of this.
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I knew, I just KNEW that HUEVOS looked funny. My bad, corrected.
Posted by: gmroper at Tuesday, September 13 2005 02:36 PM (0CqNu)
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"People are so stupid that if you ask them how much they paid in taxes when they file their tax returns, some will say nothing because they're getting a refund."
Woody, there's a sniglet for that. It's called "intaxication". def: that euphoric feeling you get when you receive your tax refund, until you realize it was your money in the first place.
It's the same story no matter what party runs the White House. A President wants a certain program and his opposition in Congress holds him hostage over it until he grants them pork chops. And you're right in the manner in which they do it. The opposition wants a 20% increase, they get 10% then they tell the press about the wonderful social program the President "doesn't care about" and that he cut funding. This is how they gain political capital and both sides do it.
It's not about the American people. It's about a bunch of politicians trying to keep their jobs by making a minority of special interest people happy. That they do it by lying is nothing new. Disgusting? Yes. Reagan spent like a mad man too. We had a surplus with Clinton because look where he cut the most funding. The military. If I sold my gun collection, I'd have extra money too. And he raised taxes. We had an unbelievable dot com boom that helped also and falsely inflated our economy at the end of his term. He wasn't doing so hot until then. Clinton had some good points, but it wasn't the "wine and roses" scenario people seem to remember.
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Hurricane Recovery: Don't Be "Rich & Responsible"
In monitoring the hurricane clean-up, I've noticed comments which basically say that
"rich" people who take care of themselves when others are hurting are "evil." Well, anyway, that's my take. Also, I disagree. It sounds as if the left is engaging in its
politics of envy. Here are a couple of examples for you to consider. While I have excerpted comments for space, I have provided links and encourage you to read the articles in their entirety.
Mansions spared on Uptown's high ground
Hired security force watches over affluent neighborhood
By Kevin Johnson, USA TODAY, 09/12/2005 (Excerpted and emphasis added)
(A caretaker) has made sure that when the boss returns to the mansion here at Audubon Place from evacuation in Aspen, Colo., (he) will find little out of place. This is a part of New Orleans where a small difference in geographic elevation and a huge gap in personal wealth provide a head-snapping contrast between good fortune and enormous loss. 'It's safe for the rich people,' says...a private security officer.... A small contingent of heavily armed private security officers is deployed throughout Uptown, where some homeowners have turned over their mansions to the officers to guard against looting. 'Today, I've been watching armed security people hired by the rich move valuables out of their homes for safekeeping. Yesterday, we were working in an area, giving out water to people who hadn't seen cold water for days.' 'We survived largely intact, and for that, we are truly blessed,' says...an Uptown lawyer.... 'This is the highest ground in the city. That's why the rich white men who built this city put their homes here. The quality of life is good.'
Just a quick thought, are these people "fortunate," which implies that they are lucky, or are they wise and prudent to have taken care of themselves? It's more P.C. to say that they are fortunate, because to say that they are smart or diligent would make others who aren't to feel badly. We can't deal with truths when feelings could be hurt. Also, it almost seems that the writer would feel better if the mansions of New Orleans had been destroyed--as if the owners deserved it for being rich.
Well, let's go to the
next case. Here are similar thoughts to the editor of a newspaper:
Monied (sic) America lacks moral goodness
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Letters to the Editor, 09/10/2005
Congratulations, monied America: You wanted your gated communities to keep out the poor, to protect yourselves from crime, to separate yourselves from undesirables. You took the high roads and built your gated communities on them so you would stay dry and clean while the stormwaters of filth and despair flooded their neighborhoods.
You did it. You kept out the poor, you concentrated the crime in the poor neighborhoods, effectively ensuring those neighborhoods would remain poor and broken. You separated yourselves from the undesirables.
And then you left them, to die in attics and on rooftops and in the streets and in the disgusting halls of commerce and sports. The richest nation in the world is the most destitute when it comes to true moral goodness. God could not bless this America at all.
SAM MARIE ENGLE
Engle, of Atlanta, is director of the Kenneth Cole Fellowship in Community Building and Social Change and senior program associate in the Office of University-Community Partnerships at Emory University.
Well, this person says that wealthy America left people to die. Rather than give my response, here's what another has to say
in response, and it is said with more force than I would use.
INSIDE THE DARK AND DEPRAVED MIND OF A LIBERAL
Nealz Nuze, 09/12/2005, (Excerpted)
Obviously Engle has a problem with achievement. In a word, she harbors great resentment toward those who have gone the extra mile to achieve success and wealth. Somehow she has convinced herself that the problems that afflicted the poor in New Orleans were due to the existence of gated communities and the presence of the evil rich. If there had been no wealthy neighborhoods in New Orleans the poor, somehow, wouldn't have suffered.
Engle also finds great fault with the idea that people would go to extra lengths to protect themselves from crime. How hideously insensitive of the rich! How very un-American! No doubt were we to locate Ms. Engle's automobile wherever it is parked while she is out there community-building, we would find it to be unlocked; ditto for her home. After all, Engle certainly wouldn't want to do anything to protect herself from crime, would she?
Engle feels that the evil rich 'kept out the poor' from their high-and-dry gated communities. Sorry, Sam, the poor weren't 'kept out' of those gated communities; they just failed to make the decisions in life that would have gained them access. The rich did nothing to them. They did it to themselves.
'Left them to die?' When police and firefighters, the fantastic first-responders we all rely on, went in to rescue the stranded they were fired on by roving gangs of thugs from the poor neighborhoods you so love – and this started happening on day one. ...(P)eople were risking death to rescue the poor, and you write that the poor were left to die?
Then you say that 'the richest nation in the world is the most destitute when it comes to true moral goodness.' Katrina has brought forth the greatest show of American generosity since 9/11. This is the America, an America of compassion and giving, that you say God would not bless.
It's too bad that individual initiative, achievement, success, personal responsibility, and stewardship--all of which helped to make this country great...and, to help some people survive--are attacked as wrong. Then, help and contributions from the same "rich" people, along with others, are ignored. That is puzzling.
All of this sounds like envy to me, and those who are being envious seem to be the ones who need attitude adjustments--not the "rich." Let's recognize and encourage behavior and choices that make people successful rather than the behavior and choices that make others dependent. With more people like the "rich," we would need less government to take care of us.
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Two of my favorite columnists are Drs. Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams. Both started their lives in very poor economic situations. Both are economically well off today. Both are, by the standards of most Americans, rich. However, their REAL riches are in the fact that they have vast amounts of knowledge. They gained knowledge and used their knowledge to make choices that made their lives very much better.
Oh, they are both African-Americans, if we must put awful labels on each other.
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These kinds of discussions about merit versus luck/fortune are a fast track to hell.
The bottom line is that life is not fair; there are no guarantees as to outcome. Many factors affect our current circumstances: some we have no control over, others we do. Sometimes we face the consequences of our decisions -- good or bad; other times we don't get "what we deserve", but rather find grace or misfortune. Envy should have no place in our discussions, but neither should arrogance.
Rather than profitless disputes or whether the rich or the poor "deserve" to be what they are, what matters is how we respond in the hour of trial, the hour of need, the hour of opportunity. The character of us all is revealed in our response, noble or ignoble; neither the rich nor the poor have any monopoly on nobility or evil
In other words. let's stop feeling envy or superiority, but rather and roll up our sleeves and get to work, each according to his or her ability.
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Well said, CT. If you're not a preacher or a motivator speaker, you should be. You explained a lot of life very well.
The only part that I felt a little squimish on is "each to his or her ability." Sometimes, we expect too much out of others just because they can do it. This is true in discussions of taxes, where some people think that the "rich" should pay everything because they can--not because it's fair. Sometimes, one group can do most of the work, but then it's time for someone else to carry his own load. It's then that we find who can make it and who can't.
One place we can start in the process is to get a lot of those people who are being unproductive in shelters and give them paying jobs to clean up the hurricane and flood damage. Everyone needs to help--the rich, the poor, the military, city and state workers, etc. Businesses have already started by taking care of their requirements and to serve the city--like WalMart, Home Depot, etc. I think the job can and will be completed much sooner than the predictions.
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Bush Exploits New Orleans Flood - A View from the Left
In the sense of fairness, we're presenting
the truth about George W. Bush and his hurricane response through the eyes of the left--and, the picture isn't pretty and just got worse. To recap so far, we have learned that Bush caused the hurricane because he ignored global warming, that he directed the storm to strike New Orleans which is under a Democratic mayor and governor, that he took money needed to upgrade the levees so that he could reduce taxes for the rich, that he sent the National Guard to Iraq making them unavailable for rescues, that he made no preparations for the disaster and appointed incompetent friends to FEMA, that he (and this is terrible) bombed the levees to flood the city and wouldn't save those washed out because they were black and Bush is a racist, that he blamed everyone else for his problems, that he
conveniently hired Halliburton two months before the storm for the clean-up, that he won't recover bodies, and that, in general, he is totally clueless. Wow! I guess that covers it all. But, wait. Now, there's something else. You just have to see the picture below to believe it. It is horrible and speaks for itself. This guy should be impeached.
Caution. Don't go further if you support Bush.
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See. Bush's personal exploitation shows his insensitivity to the plight of those
looters dying and homeless behind him. But, on the other hand, that is a pretty good looking fish. Good job, Mr. President!
via Denny in Atlanta
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Good clip! Now, there's a president who makes us feel good about ourselves. After listening to those selections, I believe that anything that I say or write sounds intelligent.
However, Jim. People do want a president who can connect with them. Bush fishing, like in the picture, connects better than Kerry trying to be "one of the boys" when he went hunting during the election.
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Snopes.com, Google images, all it takes to see what you state here is bogus and why we can't rust anything anymore. sad
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It's a joke, Tom. It's sacasm.
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After Hurricane, New Orleans Faces Worse Disaster - Jimmy Carter
Haven't the people of New Orleans suffered enough? Shouldn't we be showing them compassion and giving them hope? Wouldn't it be best if they had someone competent in charge of restoring their city? Well, if the answer to all of those is "yes," then why in the world would a former 9/11 commissioner recommend Jimmy Carter to be in charge of rebuilding New Orleans?
From the Drudge Report:
This morning on Fox's 'Fox and Friends,' former Indiana Democrat congressman and 9/11 commissioner Tim Roemer called on President Bush to name former President Jimmy Carter to the head of efforts to rebuild New Orleans.
Roemer told the stunned hosts: 'The second thing we should do is put somebody like former President Jimmy Carter in charge of rebuilding New Orleans.'

Carter Aims for Thumb
How can Carter rebuild a city when he spends his time hammering at a White House? He might let the United Nations determine the future use of New Orleans for the "world community." On the other hand, if Kerry were President, he might want to donate the Louisiana Purchase back to France while he apologizes for messing it up. At least we should be glad that no one suggested Al Gore, who could declare New Orleans as "wetlands" and make it a nationally protected wilderness.
The left never ceases to amaze.
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Hey, how about Kofi? He might be free soon.
Posted by: Patricia at Friday, September 09 2005 12:37 PM (Fg8Ii)
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Hey Woody
It is to bad you could never grow up and become a comedian. If you did you would starve to death. Did you ever think if John Kerry was President , he would have appointed a competent Director of Homeland Security, who would have selected a competent FEMA Director, rather than back filling positions with campaign workers. Do you not think George W. has embarrased this country enough. This guy is going to go down in history as the most stupid President just behind Herbert Hoover
Posted by: Gary Roaden at Friday, September 09 2005 06:20 PM (tQQpz)
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Gary, where do I begin? First, Kerry didn't pick any good campaign staff at all. He didn't pick a good vice presidential candidate and he damn sure didn't pick any good advisors. He picked a campaign theme with a silly salute and you see where that got him.
I am no fan of Browne or Chertoff, but I don't see Kerry having done one damn bit better. Oh, and by the way, talk about comedians with you using a fake url? Yeah bud, total honesty there.
Posted by: GM Roper at Saturday, September 10 2005 02:20 AM (0CqNu)
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Maybe another horse association has a lawyer they'd like to unload on Bush. I mean the last one did such a bang up job, how could Bush not appoint another?
Posted by: A Curious Liberal at Saturday, September 10 2005 03:47 AM (uroti)
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Carter would be great right now as an advisor during this time of high oil prices and dimished refing capabilities. Who knows more about gas shortages and screwing up the Middle East than Jimmy Carter?
The only thing he'd be good for in NO is building houses.
Ever notice how even crappy Dem presidents become saviors AFTER they are out of office?
Posted by: Scott at Saturday, September 10 2005 06:26 AM (2PoNS)
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...as opposed to, say, crappy Rep presidents who high tail it to Japan for 2 million dollar speaker fees or barfing in Prime Minister's laps...
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KNOXVILLE, Tenn. (Sept. 9) - Al Gore helped airlift some 270 Katrina evacuees on two private charters from New Orleans, acting at the urging of a doctor who saved the life of the former vice president's son. Al Gore underwrote the cost of two charter flights, which flew hurricane victims out of New Orleans....
On Sept. 1, three days after Katrina slammed into the Gulf Coast, [Greg] Simon [president of the Washington-based activist group FasterCures] learned that Dr. David Kline, a neurosurgeon who operated on Gore's son, Albert, after a life-threatening auto accident in 1989, was trying to get in touch with Gore. Kline was stranded with patients at Charity Hospital in New Orleans....Gore responded immediately, telephoning Kline and agreeing to underwrite the $50,000 each for the two flights....
Meanwhile, George Bush spends nearly a week asleep at the switch (re: Newsweek article), while Mommy (let them eat cake) Bush states that the `underpriviledged' are making out okay now that their being transported to the Astrodome and other evacuation sites.
The right never ceases to amaze me.
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How about anyone EXCEPT a politician? That way, you guys wouldn't be sniping at each other, for one thing. Good job, Gary. You started it.
Posted by: Oyster at Monday, September 12 2005 12:42 AM (YudAC)
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Hey, Jim. Don't forget the millions that Clinton has made in speaking fees and the payments he received in China after he gave them our missle technology to aim their ICBMs at us.
http://tinyurl.com/cwzau
Bush 41 goes overseas, represents America, and throws up. Carter goes overseas, does not represent America, and makes everyone here throw up.
Anyway, I tried to present the side of the left in an entry today. Fair & Balanced, you know.
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General Russel Honore - Soldier Extraordinaire
People are demanding to know more about Lt. General Russel Honore, tagged "John Wayne" by some, but a Guardian Angle by others. In an earlier post which has generated some 2000+ hits on this little blog, his niece had this to say:
Just wanted to 2nd all of the kudo's for Uncle Russ. Yes, he IS my uncle and Yes he IS just as honest out of uniform. A real hero to our family too."
General Honore must be equally proud of his family I would suspect.
A bio about the General says:
General Honore is a native of Lakeland, Louisiana. He was commissioned a Second Lieutenant of Infantry and awarded a Bachelor of Science degree in Vocational Agriculture upon graduation from Southern University and A&M College in 1971. He holds a Master of Arts in Human Resources from Troy State University as well as an Honorary Doctorate in Public Administration from Southern University and A&M College.
However, I suspect that this doesn't tell the whole story. The General was commissioned the year after I left the Army (I wish I had served with him, though I did serve with many fine soldiers)so, for the last 34 years he has made soldering his life's work.
The Army's ROTC programs have produced some of our finest American Officers (Did you hear that you colleges that don't want ROTC on your campus) and the General is no exception! He has served tours in Korea and Germany, and is currently in Command of the First United States Army based at Fort Gillem, Georgia.
General Honore gave a briefing and answered questions in a Department Of Defense (DoD) today that is well worth reading in full. The Transcript is
here.
The blogosphere is bubbling with news about the "Ragin' Cajun" and stories about him abound. The problem is of course, separating the wheat from the chaff. So far, the stories have been mostly adulatory, and seemingly, that is exactly as it should be. General Honore stepped into a huge mess left by cronyism, ineptitude, stupidity and people caring more about politics than about saving people.
The stories before General Honore took charge ranged from such stupidities as Bush caused the Hurricane because he didn't back Kyoto to the city deliberately was abandoned because the majority of it's peoples were black.
Then, in the center of it all levee's collapse and the fingerpointing gets vicious. "See." Everyone said, "Bush cut money from levee construction." Of course, this ignores 40 years of neglect and more importantly perhaps, the 17th Ave Levee that broke was the NEW part, the part that had been worked on by the Corps of Engineers. Wow, ain't that somthin'. But it didn't stop the bashers, sometimes on both sides of the aisle.
Into this steps General Honore and as New Orleans Mayor said:
He came off the doggone chopper, and he started cussing and people started moving,"
Additionally, General Honore had to deal with ill informed reporters leading to these comments by the good General:
That's B.S. It's B.S...."
"I can tell you that is B.S. We have got 300 helicopters and some of the finest EMS workers in the world down there.
"There is no red tape ... there are isolated incidents that people take to paint a broad brush."
Honore also lashed out at questions from journalists at the Baton Rouge emergency operations center concerning the security situation in New Orleans.
"You need to get on the streets of New Orleans, you can't sit back here and say what you hear from someone else.
"It is secure, we walk around without any issues. Why the hell are you trying to make that the issue, if you can help, get there and help,"
Honore noted that people were being scared away by reports of violence.
When one reporter argued that there still reports of bureaucracy and unrest stalling relief efforts in some outlying parishes of New Orleans, Honore fumed:
"I don't care if it is Hancock County, Mississippi -- we are not going to have that kind of issue."
Tough spoken! Brutally honest! A Commanding General entirely worthy of the title Commander and the right man for the job.
General, I salute you!
UPDATE: For those who continue to harp and gripe about FEMA dropping the ball, here is an interesting quote:
We're starting to move the trailers in," said then-FEMA director and current Hillary favorite James Lee Witt, nearly a month after Floyd first hit. "It's been so wet, it's been difficult to get things in there" � an explanation that sounds familiar.
Witt was also a guest on Jesse Jackson's CNN show, "Both Sides Now," in Floyd's aftermath. Jackson complained then that "bridges are overwhelmed, levees are overwhelmed, whole towns underwater. . . . (It's) an awesome scene of tragedy."
That was regarding Hurricane Floyd that devistated the east coast in 1999. Hillary's carping is fully seen
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He is kicking ass and taking names, later. Isn't he?
I know that I like him, because he doesn't play around with the media. He knows his shit and won't let them spin. He saves a lot of time and verbal energy by not wasting words. His few words carry more weight than many a college thesis.
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A few words that say "let's fix this problem" are a lot better than a speech that says "I feel your pain."
Posted by: Woody at Friday, September 09 2005 03:02 AM (t7ur8)
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Great follow up...we need to hear more about the guys gettin it done instead of all the finger pointing.
Posted by: Scott at Friday, September 09 2005 03:37 AM (2PoNS)
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Someone had asked about a "stupid" comment by the general. Here it is with the link.
"(NBC News) asked a three-star general just what has taken so long.
"'This is a disaster,' says Lt. Gen. Russel Honore. 'This isn't something somebody can control. We ain't stuck on stupid.'"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9177884/
Well, maybe not the military, but some people ask stupid questions.
Posted by: Woody at Friday, September 09 2005 07:01 AM (t7ur8)
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I found this site through Google looking for info on General Honore. I really don't agree with the politics of this site, since I consider myself a moderate and an independent voter.
Having said that, I want to say that I found the article on General Honore outstanding. I just listened to the General on TV, he told the reporters that there would be no imbeds (impeded reporters) on the missions involving the recovery of the deceased and that this would be handled with dignity. He said that we do not need pictures of this in the media. I applaud General Honore on his decision and his firmness in informing the press.
Bravo, General Honore.
Posted by: Marilyn at Friday, September 09 2005 08:17 AM (15lq8)
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Marilyn wrote: " I really don't agree with the politics of this site, since I consider myself a moderate and an independent voter."
I thought we were moderate. It's not our fault that we honor the truth and honesty and that, on the other side, the Democrats embrace Ted Kennedy, the Clinton's, Michael Moore, and Jane Fonda. G.M., are we moderate or not?
Posted by: Woody at Friday, September 09 2005 08:35 AM (t7ur8)
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Woody, we are moderate what I don't know is if we are moderately conservative or conservatively moderate.
I think that our commenter however is saying that we are dyed in the wool conservatives hence, also republicans.
Young lady, first, thank you for the accolades on the article. General Honore really is the REAL THING. On the other hand, I am a conservative, but that doesn't mean I'm not an independent voter like you. I live in deep South Texas (the Rio Grande Valley - El Valle de Rio Bravo if you are from south of the border) and I have lived in south texas for most of the last 40 years. I have voted for far more conservative democrats than I have for conservative republicans, though I admit this is getting harder and harder to do.
One doesn't need to be a conservative to appreciate this site. Jim Hitchcock is one of our regular readers and routinely reads and comments on this site. Usually to disagree with Woody and I but so what?
We write from our hearts, what we believe and what we work for. Both Woody and I disagree with the majority of what the liberal democrats believe and we don't make any bones about it. That is MADE for discussion, something both Woody and I love to foster.
I hope you will come back often and if you disagree with us, say so. I have yet to ban someone for having opposing views, though to be honest I have come close to banning a few who have become excessively snarky and or use vile language.
Again, thanks for your comment, and thanks for droping by. Our respect is out to you.
GM Roper
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to my great surprise Russel Honore is none other than my double second cousin. His father, LLoyd Honore was my father's nephew and his mother, Udell St Amant was my mother's niece.
I left Louisiana in the early sixties and lost of track of Russel. I knew his older brothers, John, Clearance, Marshall and Roderick better than him because they were closer to my age.
When he came on the Kitrina scene It took me a full day to figure what Honore everyone was talking about and just about the time I remembered my father telling me a long time ago that Russel was in the military I heard him cuss and that cemented it for me, He had to be LLoyd honore's son.
Russel comes from a family of nine sons and three daughters. I remember his mother's smiles of approval she graced her children with and Lloyd was tough on his nine boys but always kind, good and fair. The family joked that Lloyd had his own baseball team.
Many times i have heard him yell at his sons "Cut out all that GD cussing."
Needless to say I am extremely proud of what Russel is doing and obviously very proud to be related to him.
I am sure he wouldn't know me but just like I knew his last name he'd know mine but anyhow I am aunt Bonnie and uncle Mauss's (from Baton Rouge) third daughter Marilyn.
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Great article, GM. I hope Jesse Jackson realizes soon that he is indeed black and indeed one of the highest ranking people in the recovery effort.
If Bush would only realize how refreshing it is to hear an official tell it straight and tell the press where to go!
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Patricia, you reminded me of that scene in "No Time for Sergeants" where Will (Andy Griffith) sees a female officer and is amazed to see a woman in the army. While is stands open mouthed, his friend salutes and says, "I don't see a woman. All I see is an officer." Well, in the case of Honore, all I see is a general.
Posted by: Woody at Friday, September 09 2005 01:42 PM (t7ur8)
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I agree, Woody, I was referring to Jackson's complaint about no black people being in charge in the recovery effort...
Posted by: Patricia at Friday, September 09 2005 03:26 PM (Fg8Ii)
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Last week I watched a newscast of the general ordering a N.O. police officer to point his weapon down, and the officer who was Not under his 'commmand' wisely obeying.
As I did I thought, as so many have pointed out, he was absolutely the right man to bring in to get things moving in the right direction there.
His focus on doing the job, and helping the people rather than playing the blame game is one that should be emulated by many more.
Let's hope it becomes contagious, eh?
As a side note: Great posts, GM.
Though I was just looking for more info on the general, the way they were presented prompted me to look around, was pleased to find a great site.
Posted by: MichiganMom at Saturday, September 10 2005 12:46 PM (UlhD1)
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The blame for the slow response to Katrina goes a long way. It starts from the victims who did not evacuate when told so, to the state who did not make sure that victims who had no means to evacuate could have means to evacuate and goes all the way to the FMA for responding slowly to the victims who did not evacuate on time and were not evacuated by their state, to the president and all his kind up there for not making sure that responses to such disasters are quick at all times even if there is no oil, to you and me sitting at home pointing fingers, feeling sorry, and talking about how sad katrina events have been and doing nothing about it... I was wondering if I should also extend the blame to God since he is our father who could have stopped this...i.e. if you believe in him...so you see....this is a disaster that can not be blamed on anyone for anything. And of course there are exceptions...and those exceptions are the people like the general who have taken charge to ensure order, those volunteers who look past everything else and give their lives to work for others, and the people donating what they can and those who cant give but put the survivors in to their prayers..... And of course I am off the mark bacause this string seems to be singing the praise to the general... To this man...I hope all people can be greatful for restoring hope, faith, and strength.
Posted by: Lillian Fox at Saturday, September 10 2005 04:39 PM (yw5cs)
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Gen Honore reminds me of my Dad. He was the kind of man who would stand up for anyone and held his beliefs firmly, yet had a terrific sense of humor and deep compassion. I remember once Dad didn't open the door to a visitor and I was surprised, since Dad was a very hospitable man.
I opened the door and a man slid a gift through the door and said, please give this to miss Iva and tell Mr. Bill I'm very sorry." He bolted away before I could ask any questions and when I turned around my mother had tears running down her face from laughing hysterically! Seems my 74 year old father told the gentleman not to curse outside his window because of his wife. After the third time Dad just opened the door and punched the young guy, knocking him out . Honore is exactly what we needed in this country, less B.S. and more action.
I would just like to offer a sincere thank you to the general and all those making things happen!
Posted by: LLL at Sunday, September 11 2005 08:51 AM (gr0Qf)
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What a fine gentleman! I saw the Sunday Morning spotlight on the General and now, at last, feel that New Orleans is in good hands. Russ for Prez. this land needs a leader, straight shooter and a self starter with a heart.
Posted by: Helen Sampson at Monday, September 12 2005 03:42 AM (K5YW3)
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General Honore now has lots of fans here in Delaware, expecially me! I am hugely impressed by his honesty, strength, and compassion.
Posted by: julie at Monday, September 12 2005 05:18 AM (INAnd)
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Once again when we need them the very most our United States uniformed services are there for us. God bless the United States Army. God bless the United States Coast Guard. In our darkest hours they serve.
Posted by: rob robinson at Monday, September 12 2005 11:34 AM (dpP+w)
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This General is the man for the job. I am really interested in hearing more about him
Posted by: ruthdownes at Wednesday, September 14 2005 12:09 AM (vOtn/)
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Thanks for posting the bio on Lt. General Honore'. His presence in the aftermath of the Hurricane Katrina was truly awesome. It's like when I saw him in television, I wanted to salute him!
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Is General Honore' married? I have seen lots of info about his family but nothing about a wife. You know they say,"behind every great man is a great woman".
From LK in Louisiana
Posted by: LKelley at Friday, September 16 2005 08:57 AM (OlJgV)
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General Russel Honore - Soldier Extraordinaire-for president he gets my VOTE!!!!!!!!
Posted by: SETILE at Friday, September 16 2005 09:39 AM (gX+OQ)
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Let me first start by saying that Lt. General Russell Honore' is my new hero. Here is a man with the intelligence and the character to lead people. It is evident in everything he has done so far: the way he carries himself, the way he candidly answers questions and his sincerity in doing his job. I am a Lieutenant with a South Florida Law Enforcement agency and I am always seeking out great leaders to emulate. General Honore' has just been added to my list of leaders to study. Having been a member of JROTC and ROTC, the Army is full of leaders like this. Maybe some people in government should enlist into some of our Armed Forces so that they too can develop some of these leadership skills. I second the motion of a previous writer " Honore' for President" Once the recovery effort is over, will someone please publish his autobiography.
Posted by: K. Granville at Friday, September 16 2005 11:28 AM (QWAYh)
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I would just like to say the General is doing an outstanding job and maybe one day I will get to meet him
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Just wanted to say what a small world. I have had the
honor of serving in the U.S. Army from 1978 to 1984.
Part of the honor was to be able to serve with then
Captain Honore. I was stationed in germany in 1980 and
worked in a G-1 headquarters staff office and who did I
work for but then Captain Honore. I worked with him
for approximately 4 months. We were stationed with the
1st Infantry Division (Forward) BIG RED ONE in the
bavaria town of Goeppingen, Germany. The short time that I served with then Cpt. Honore was a memorable one. Cpt. Honore always treated me with
respect as a soldier and his one liners were always a
treat. I don't think there is a better person to lead the relief efforts from Katrina than LTG Honore. I salute LTG Honore. God Bless.
Posted by: Jerry Witowski at Monday, September 19 2005 05:49 AM (ZbhPG)
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Radio Blogger has the audio from a press conference General Honore gave today. It's pretty funny hearing him dress down these knucklehead reporters.
http://www.radioblogger.com/#00100
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Joey, thanks! That is great. If only others had the nerve to do the same. Thanks for sharing that. G.M., you may want to feature this or another update on a future post on Honore. I like that guy.
Posted by: Woody at Tuesday, September 20 2005 03:49 PM (t7ur8)
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This is the man that America needs as a President Kicking Ass Lt General Honore, If he runs, he has my vote. Thank you sir.
Posted by: cisco at Tuesday, September 20 2005 06:29 PM (rVxfx)
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Gen Honore has my vote, also. He can weed thru the BS quickly. Needed in Washington, DC.
Posted by: Linda at Wednesday, September 21 2005 03:06 AM (W3yx0)
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What I wouldn't give for a copy of the General's comments yesterday! I whooped and laughed and cheered him until I was hoarse when he told the reporters they were "stuck on stupid"! I'm teaching my parrot that phrase!!
Posted by: KC at Wednesday, September 21 2005 07:15 AM (zpoP/)
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General Honore is a no nonsense man, doing his job and doing it well. I admire him greatly for his ability to focus on the task at hand. But President? He wouldn't do well in that arena. Keep him as head of FEMA, where his leadership can do the most good.
Posted by: John at Thursday, September 22 2005 03:32 PM (gd4Rf)
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General,
Keep up the good work--someone has to step forward and say it like it is--and you did
This comes from a retired AF CMSGT who has said the same to other Generals who have stepped forward and got the job done, just as you did
Thanks,
CMSGT Pietrowski (retired)
Posted by: Charles Pietrowski at Friday, September 23 2005 07:53 AM (kVYpF)
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LTG Honore's performance has been splendid, except I do not agree with his barking to the soldiers to put the guns down. Those young men were doing what they were trained to do. They drill them until they can do that stuff in their sleep. If they were not in the "ready" position, and a sniper or armed looter popped up, they would have been chastized for being not ready. It seems to me that it was a case of a superior over using his power and humiliating his subordinates, who were in a lose-lose situation. I did not see the soldiers directly pointing weapons at the bystanders. Only in that case would I approve of his action.
Posted by: Paul McIntire at Saturday, September 24 2005 01:33 PM (GYjzN)
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I served in the LA National Guard and we were trained during peace time military support maneuvers to carry your weapons pointed downwards in case of an accidental discharge or misfiring of your weapon. During war time missions, you do the opposite with your weapon at the ready and your finger near the trigger. The general wasn't pulling rank, he was protecting the citizens the Guard was brought in to protect.
Posted by: C Moore at Monday, September 26 2005 04:42 PM (0VVNT)
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"When he said jump, everybody knew to say how HIGH!" He got things in order when no one else could! Hoo-ray for him.
Posted by: Rose Geurian at Friday, September 30 2005 02:18 PM (/3UO1)
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" Run General Run!"
Women are after you. Say your married if your not.
Posted by: Cassandra Geurian at Friday, September 30 2005 02:23 PM (/3UO1)
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lLT GEN.HONORE. R. YOU SURE ARE ONE OF THE FINEST TO BE AMONG THE BRAVE /EVEN IF YOUR NOT A U.S. MARINE -I SALUTE YOU SIR :AND STAND WITH THE FINEST OF ALL THE LAND-AND A MAN EVEN CHESTY PULLER WOULD BE PROUD TO CALL A UNITED STATES MARINE,I JUST LOVE THE TENACITY YOU POSSES,IT MAKES ME OOORAH TO HEAR YOUR NAME ;DO YOU PLAN ON RUNNING FOR ANY OFFICE IN THE FUTURE IF JOE BIDEN DESIDES TO RUNN FOR PRES?????
Posted by: CHARLIE,MONTOYA at Monday, October 31 2005 12:08 PM (BTILO)
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I WAS DEEPLY TOUCHED, TEAR FLOWING UNTIL LT. GENERAL RUSSELL HONORE ARRIVED. GOD SENT HIM TO RESUCE OUR PEOPLE.
THANK YOU LT. GENERAL RUSSELL HONORE AND YOUR STAFF, FOR YOUR HELP.
GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
DORINE WOODGETT
DETROIT MICHIGAN
Posted by: Dorine Woodgett at Thursday, November 10 2005 11:43 PM (GRsYe)
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I being from Louisiana, living in Prairieville [about 50miles northwest of New Orleans] just want to say "thank you General Honore for bring leadership and order to an area that had neither". Thank you
Posted by: Gil Blanchard at Friday, November 18 2005 02:59 AM (uIPNq)
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What a rare and refreshing person. I hope we have not seen the last of this man. We need his honesty and directness. He is not looking over his shoulder to figure out what he should say or do.
With the horrors of Katrina, this one person seemed to be in charge. I hope he is not being forgotten. This is a rare specimen of what America can produce. He needs to be cloned immediately and whole lot sent to Washington D.C.
Posted by: Susan Dean at Sunday, February 12 2006 06:11 AM (H6+Sa)
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Ted Kennedy Blows Harder Than Hurricane Katrina
Sometimes no comment is best. Let the remarks speak for themselves.
"What the American people have seen is this incredible disparity in which those people who had cars and money got out and those people who were impoverished died."
--Ted Kennedy on Hurricane Katrina
"______"
--Mary Jo Kopechne on Hurricane Katrina
From Opinion Journal from the WSJ via Atlas Shrugs (Thank you!)
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Between you and me, I have to say that Mary Jo is by far the more articulate of the two.
Posted by: civil truth at Thursday, September 08 2005 07:20 PM (2eZsU)
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Did I read that article correctly? The Presses finger pointing caused the relief effort to jump into overdrive. Why is the Press in this country so self rightious?
Posted by: Trey at Friday, September 09 2005 01:17 AM (JYeBJ)
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So these people deserved to die because they couldn't afford their own transportation?
Posted by: A Curious Liberal at Friday, September 09 2005 01:26 AM (RmOHc)
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I don't get that interpretation from this post. The point is the hypocrisy of Ted Kennedy, who worries about people drowning when he didn't even try to help the one person whom he put in that very peril. It's "don't point out the splinter in my eye until you take the log out of yours."
However, regarding your point, many people (not all) were left primarily not because of lack of transportation but because of the same reasons that made them poor--bad choices and lack of reasoning ability (not to mention failure to order, facilitate, and enforce an evacuation, which is still a problem today with the mayor and governor.)
Posted by: Woody at Friday, September 09 2005 02:36 AM (t7ur8)
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NOLA's evacuation plan specifically noted that approx. 135,000 would lack transportation to evacuate, and evacuation would take about 72 hours. Nagin waited until 20 hours before landfall to call for his version of a mandatory evacuation, which turned out to be voluntary anyway.
The Red Cross was not allowed, by the state of LA Office of Emergency management, to take food, water and supplies to the Superdome and Convention center. The reason given was that they (paraphrasing) didn't want to encourage people to go to those sites.
Unbelievably, the Gov. (Blanco) is still waiting for "water test results" to order forced evacuations in NO.
Despite the fact that the EPA announced numbers on the toxicity of the water days ago.
This is why people are dead or dying. The state and local governments let their people down by giving them reasons to stay, and still not forcing them to leave, for their own safety.
Posted by: Scott at Friday, September 09 2005 03:44 AM (2PoNS)
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Maybe Ted Kennedy is responsible for the death of Mary Jo Kopechne; maybe he isn't. I can't say either way. Regardless, I think he brings up a very valid point: Why were so many of the poor (regardless of their "lack of reasoning ability") left behind? Blaming local and state officials is a good place to start. Any decent evacuation plan should absolutely have had a contingency for evacuating the population that does not (for whatever reason) have their own means of transportation. At the same time, it doesn't hurt to look at the causes of systemic poverty and try to come up with ways of mitigating the effects that a disaster such as Hurricane Katrina can have on the poor. That's what I think Ted Kennedy was doing and I applaud him for it.
Posted by: A Curious Liberal at Friday, September 09 2005 06:29 AM (CK7f1)
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Curious Liberal wrote: "Maybe Ted Kennedy is responsible for the death of Mary Jo Kopechne; maybe he isn't. I can't say either way."
Let me help you. I can say, and he was.
Kennedy isn't looking for ways to help the poor. He's looking for political points. If he wanted to help the poor, he'd shut up and would be offering help rather than lip service and attacks only against Republicans. I wouldn't be so quick to applaud someone who uses this tragedy for political gain.
CL, you seem genuinely concerned. I do appreciate that. I just don't want you or anyone fooled by people who say they are but don't act that way.
Posted by: Woody at Friday, September 09 2005 07:09 AM (t7ur8)
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Ted Kennedy is concerned about folks drowning? He just needs to stay away from any mention, whatsoever, about anything having to do with water!!
Plus, he'd never last as a volunteer actually working in the disaster area. I don't think they allow drinking while on duty. So, Ted, stay in Massachusettes or D.C, go have a drink and shut up, will ya!
Posted by: Elizabeth at Friday, September 09 2005 08:44 AM (pEUju)
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Ted Kennedy - "What the American people have seen is this incredible disparity in which those people who had cars and money got out and those people who were impoverished died."
Curious Liberal - "..try to come up with ways of mitigating the effects that a disaster such as Hurricane Katrina can have on the poor. That's what I think Ted Kennedy was doing and I applaud him for it."
If that's what he was trying to say, why didn't he say it?
It was estimated that 134K people had no transportation. Why, if there were 134K people without transportation, did Nagin keep saying, "I told them to leave. I told them to leave," when there were literally hundreds of buses that never left the parking lots? Why did they have to later evacuate over 190K? Why, in Kathleen Blanco's letter to the President, didn't she ask for the feds to step in? Why is it that she spoke of all the preventive measures that were being taken, that in fact WEREN'T, and merely mentioned the need for money for "debris removal" about four times. Did she mean body removal?
I too think CL is genuinely concerned, but lets not equate that concern with a need to defend Ted Kennedy's sophomoric remarks. Of COURSE the poor were affected. It would have been the same anywhere.
Posted by: Oyster at Friday, September 09 2005 10:25 AM (fl6E1)
Posted by: A Curious Liberal at Saturday, September 10 2005 03:55 AM (uroti)
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A Curious Liberal: "don't blame the liberal media."
Interesting take since we are not blaming the media, in fact, we have made the point here time and time again that there were plenty of problems in the evacuation and that there were lots of folk who slipped up. However, the responsibility of the State Government under K. Blanco cannot and will not be hidden in all the "liberal" hype. The fact of the matter is that the Gretna City Police (from the story you linked to) came under the jurisdiction of overall state authority. The Mayor of New Orleans should have been there directing services from his department and both of those worthies were democrats.
Perhaps because Nagin backed Jindal in the Governor's race (Jindal is a republican) Blanco decided to stick it to the poor of New Orleans as payback to Nagin. An awful thought, yes? But no worse than the claptrap that the dems are pandering to.
Again, the efforts of the far left to use this as (Kos stated) the Political Perfect Storm and the DNC's attempt to raise money on the backs of the hurrican's victims says way too much about the far left than it does about anything else.
Posted by: GM Roper at Saturday, September 10 2005 04:55 AM (BC4Ri)
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A few things to clear up:
#1) I am not a representative of the Democratic party. Most Democrats aren't really as "far left" as you seem to think. I'm much further to the left than the dreaded Clintons or John Kerry or Kos.
#2) I am less interested in seeing a victory for the Democratic party and more interested in a victory for people trapped in systemic poverty.
#3) If Republicans often find themselves on the defensive when it comes to the issue of poverty then it's their own fault. They simply have not been proactive on the issue. (Please do not respond with a lesson on trickle-down economics. Thank you.) I'm not saying the Democrats are doing the right things for the poor (or if they are doing the right things, I'm not saying they do them well) but, you have to admit, they are at least doing something.
#4) When I said "don't blame the liberal media" what I meant was, you can't blame the liberal media for distorting what happened in mostly white/mostly Republican Gretna, LA because it wasn't the liberal media reporting it but rather the very conservative Washington Times.
Posted by: A Curious Liberal at Saturday, September 10 2005 06:33 PM (8VyPR)
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"If Republicans often find themselves on the defensive when it comes to the issue of poverty then it's their own fault." - ????
Um, nope. They go on the defensive when they get blamed for every thing that isn't right. They don't get defensive out of nowhere or nothing. The problem with poverty in many instances is the approach Democrats and Republicans take. Democrats are of the "entitlement" mind and Republicans aren't. The real shame is that many of these people prefer a handout over opportunity. (Please take note that I said "many" and not "all" before you lash back).
And if you're that far left, CL, (left of Kerry or Kos) and you're not representative of the Democratic party then what are you anyway? Socialist? If this is the case, then I won't waste anymore of my own time with you.
Posted by: Oyster at Monday, September 12 2005 12:57 AM (YudAC)
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Democrats Help Themselves to Hurricane Donations
Hopefully, you have seen lists of charities accepting
donations for the Hurricane Katrina victims and have given. Now, there is a
new Katrina donation site courtesy of the
Democratic Party. That's right! Our friends from the left decided that the
best way to help victims is to capitalize on the tragedy by asking for hurricane money to elect Democrats rather than to help charities provide relief.
Here's pieces from the story:
Democrats' anti-Bush petition also seeks political contributions
By Devlin Barrett, Associated Press Writer, September 8, 2005
A new Democratic effort to whip up indignation about the Bush administration's handling of Hurricane Katrina also tried to raise money for Democratic candidates. Sen. Charles Schumer, a New York Democrat and the head of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, issued an appeal Thursday urging people to sign an online petition to fire the head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency over his handling of the Katrina response. When recipients clicked on a link to the petition, the top center of the screen _ above the call to 'Fire the FEMA director' _ had asked for a donation to the DSCC (Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee). In recent days, Republicans hit back by accusing Democrats of trying to use the human tragedy for political gain. The letter, the GOP said Thursday, was proof. 'It's a disgrace to exploit Hurricane Katrina to raise political funds,' said Brian Nick, spokesman for the National Republican Senatorial Committee.
There you have it. The Democrats put themselves ahead of the hurricane victims--unless, of course, they thought that all the homeless want a Democrat elected before having a place to live. When the Associated Press asked the campaign committee about this, the Democrats pulled the solicitation and said that they would donate the money to charity instead. Caught! It sure is embarrassing when that happens. Now, someone better make sure that the money ends up at a charity rather than in the underwear and socks of
Sandy Berger.
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Ahh the Party of the Petty is at it again. Using the old, ELECT ME and this won't happen again line.
Trouble is, no one can prevent Mother Nature from doing what she will do; even the best plans will never take into account the power of nature.
When will the Dems stop being so selfish?
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September 06, 2005
Trips Down Memory Lane
Going through some earlier posts that I had done at my old blogspot location, I came across this quote from ÃÅ“bermann
James Walcott:
I root for hurricanes. When, courtesy of the Weather Channel, I see one forming in the ocean off the coast of Africa, I find myself longing for it to become big and strong--Mother Nature's fist of fury, Gaia's stern rebuke. Considering the havoc mankind has wreaked upon nature with deforesting, stripmining, and the destruction of animal habitat, it only seems fair that nature get some of itsown back and teach us that there are forces greater than our own.
THEN he modifies his post with the following:
(THIS HAS PROVEN TO BE MY MOST POPULAR POST AMONG RIGHTWING BLOGGERS. I HAVE COME TO CONSIDER IT MY GIFT TO THEM--OR YOU, IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE ONE OF 'THEM.' WHENEVER A NEW STORM BREWS, I FEEL CONFIDENT YOU WILL RETURN HERE TO QUOTE IT YET AGAIN.
AND FOR THOSE OF YOU DISCOVERING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME, HOLD ON TO YOUR PHONY INDIGNATION AND LET IT WARM YOU THROUGH THE DARK DAYS AHEAD.
KISSES AND TWINKLING THOUGHTS FROM ME,
JW)"
There have been times when I thought that many liberals expressed faux empathy, certainly Bill Clinton mastered the art with a modest lip bite here and a gently wiped away tear there and don't forget the most famous "I feel your pain" line. But Wolcott is reveling in the post of his celebrating a hurricane that was probably the most destructive act of nature visited on these shores in the history of modern man. A little callous aren't you Jimbo? Still rooting for "Mother Nature" Jimbo?
I'm glad that Jimbo considers his post a gift, cause that makes it so much easier to consider him an ass.
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That's pretty typical of the mentality that places it's own extreme ideology above the needs and suffering of the poor, the weak and the sick who were most impacted by this storm.
I'm sorry to say I've seen even worse stuff than that. A commenter at a lefty blog said that the people of Louisiana and Mississippi deserved to get hit since their states voted for Bush. He refused to send one dime to help, since it was all Bush's fault (both the hurricane and the recovery effort).
I used to think we are all Americans FIRST. But apparently these folks view things differently.
Posted by: Mike's America at Tuesday, September 06 2005 05:44 PM (SHL+1)
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personally, I'm rooting for bird-flu. much less clean up that way....
Posted by: abomb at Tuesday, September 06 2005 06:45 PM (bC010)
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How typical of the feel-good, compassionate loonies of the left.
*sigh*
Oh, and Mike - SECONDED!
-- R'cat
CatHouse Chat
Posted by: Romeocat at Wednesday, September 07 2005 02:54 AM (dIews)
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I just read his whole post, and realized you didn't even comment on the best part, which is in the final paragraphs.
"Hurricane Frances also has a heraldic quality. Camille Paglia observed on Salon in February, 2003 that the explosion of the Columbia shuttle on the eve of the war on Iraq was a "stunning omen," one that would make a Roman general think twice. A catastrophe strewing death, fire, and human remains across Bush's home state of Texas was inauspicious to our undertaking; and so it has proven to be. Frances is the second hurricane to afflict Florida, home of brother Jeb, in rapid succession.
The gods are not pleased."
Obviously the recent hurricanes wreaking havoc and destruction across the Gulf states (primarily Red States), as well as the Columbia disaster are a direct response from "the gods" to the War in Iraq.
Heaven forbid a Lib make a post about hurricanes without that link.
Posted by: Scott at Wednesday, September 07 2005 03:54 AM (2PoNS)
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Wait a minute. I thought Bush caused the hurricane with his new secret weapon...
That the oil companies invented....
It's called the Man Made Mother Nature Disaster Creator. And it's all about oil dammit. OIL.
LOL
Posted by: Raven at Wednesday, September 07 2005 10:45 AM (7mbx+)
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Raven, Raven, Raven. How DARE you impugn the conglomerates. Why, if it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have had the 100 years wars, the War of the Roses, The black Plague, The Inquisition, The Pillage of the Americas, The trashing of anyone connected with Kyoto and, And, AND Sean Penn's boat leaking so he can look like a dork.
;-)
Posted by: GM Roper at Thursday, September 08 2005 02:15 AM (0CqNu)
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LOL...GM!! Sean Penn's boat leaked because he blew too much gas while in it LOL. And I also heard that Michael Moore had been in it (and caused a hole due to his weight.)
>
I miss you and Mustang. A lot.
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