February 03, 2008
... that McCain is not the republican to support on Super Tuesday, any other day and especially on Election day? Then try this comment of his on for size:
"I believe my party has gone astray. I think the Democratic Party is a fine party, and I have no problems with it, in their views and in their philosophy."McCain said this in 2004 when speaking at a DEMOCRAT Party shindig at the time he was being TOUTED by the MSM and quite a few Democrats (and maybe McCain himself?) for a possible shot as Kerry's VP nominee.
Can you say "The Manchurian Candidate?"
Bill Quick has an excellent article on McCain!
Posted by: Woody at Sunday, February 03 2008 08:48 AM (Eb/8J)
"I read one of McCain's rants in which he showed disdain for voters by saying tht he would build a fence on our border even though it wouldn't work but because people insist on it."---Woody
I'm not going to do the same-o, same-o here at this point. Been there done that.
But how exactly does that statement show 'disdain for the voters'' ?
A. If the fence will not work, does it indicate disdain if someone points that out ? Why would this be ? Is every voter sentiment to be considered the wisdom of the ages simply because it is voter sentiment ? What if it's STUPID ?
B And even if the answer to A is yes, shouldn't disdain indeed be shown for an expensive fantasy that 'will not work' ?
I think anything less than a double row of fencing backed by the latest technology is likely to be completely useless. Are the plans to build adequate barriers or merely 'some' barriers.
The debate on the fence should focus on whether it will actually work. And on the exact whys or why nots it will or will not do so and under what set of conditions. McCain's commentary that it won't work, but he will build it anyway, because the dense population wants it, seems to me to be subject to criticism IF the barriers will actually accomplish their goals.
If however what he is saying about its uselessness is true then the 'disdain' for the electorate that the comment supposedly projects is fully merited.
Is it not ?
The only principled reply of course if one truly believes that the fence idea is an exercise in futility (a very expensive exercise by the by) is --- " No way I will ever build that ridiculous fence. It won't work and it can't work and here is why. I don't care if the people want to throw money away on a fool's errand. It's my job to prevent that and I intend to do my job.They can vote me out in the future for my decision but until then I will not do something foolish just to reflect 'popular opinion'."
Coming from someone else I guess that would be 'principled'. From McCain, one shudders to think how it might be catagoried.
The role of the elected in a 'representative democracy' is to try to 'represent' their constituents. BUT, in the end, the elected are expected to use their positions to NOT do what the people might want at the moment if , in their best judgment, doing that will be injurious to the health of the Republic.
Otherwise the US would have a 'direct democracy' ,and govern by polling or referendum without the filter imposed of 'representatives'.
But it doesn't.
So McCain might be 100% wrong on the effectively of the fence, but it hardly seems to constitute 'disdain' to say that he will build it only because it is politically impossible not to do so. Sometimes the 'people' are thick as bricks. Being more of does not imply being better of and the American System was in fact built up around the recognition that 'filtering' of popular tempers was required for the stable operation of the system.
That's not a bug : that's a feature.
Posted by: dougf at Sunday, February 03 2008 11:03 AM (16GPT)
dougf, I agree that McCain's conclusion in itself doesn't indicate disdain for the voters, his precise words and the way that he spoke, which I didn't cover, was the greatest evidence of disdain.
"By the way, I think the fence is least effective. But I'll build the goddamned fence if they want it."
Posted by: Woody at Sunday, February 03 2008 11:24 AM (Eb/8J)
Posted by: Always On Watch at Sunday, February 03 2008 12:10 PM (bYbHX)
The fence is a glorious idea that absolutely will not work. It didn't work in Berlin/Germany. It won't work here. Now, a virtual fence with a ton of technology and beefed up security might work, but a physical fence is in place in many places on the border (San Diego anyone?) and it doesn't work there.
I'm all for sealing the border, but not throwing money away on grand but useless ideas.
Posted by: GM Roper at Sunday, February 03 2008 12:41 PM (1fjXG)
Posted by: Woody at Sunday, February 03 2008 07:18 PM (Eb/8J)
"John McCain represents Arizona, and the Super Bowl in Arizona just had the lame Tom Petty as the half-time show. Coincidence? I think not.'---Woody
OK now you have gone that bridge too far. It's one thing to think that a moribund dying GOP does not require an intervention to save it from the 'real ' conservatives. But now you go too far. It appeared to me that everyone there was enjoying Rock from the Golden Age. I certainly did, but then again as a TRUE conservative I think that 99.9% of 'modern' musical output is sheer garbage. Which does more to explain the slow-mo demise of the record industry than any emphasis on 'piracy'.
McCain / Petty -- Catch the Wave.
Maybe we could get Huckabee to handle the second guitar slot.
Now that's a ticket.
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