September 21, 2006
Political Quiz [Updated & Updated & Upd....]
Today's pop
quiz on world politics has one question. Good luck!
Question:
Who recently labeled President Bush as a devil, imperialist, fascist, assassin, stupid, criminal, killer, madman, and genocidal murderer?
Possible Answers:
A. Hugo Chavez
B. Sen. Harry Reid
C. Al Franken
D. The New York Times
E. All of them
F. Answer is A, but the rest didn't disagree.
Voters should be concerned when you cannot distinguish the crazed rants of a South American communist dictator from the impressions given by a major U.S. political party and its mouthpieces.
[Update]
Rep. Charlie Rangel, a Harlem Democrat who has called President Bush just about every name in the book including "our Bull Conner," just concluded a press conference on the Chavez anti-Bush speech in which Rep. Rangel said, "You do not come into my country, my congressional district, and you do not condemn my president. If there is any criticism of President Bush, it should be restricted to Americans, whether they voted for him or not. I just want to make it abundantly clear to Hugo Chavez or any other president, but do not come to the United States and think because we have problems with our president that any foreigner can come to our country and not think that Americans do not feel offended when you offend our Chief of State."
Well, when I heard him, I admit that I was surprised. Maybe he hates the competition on attacking President Bush. But, Rep. Rangel did let some people of the world know that we may have squabbles among ourselves, just like a family, but that doesn't mean that we want outsiders to come here and attack our family members. That's how it should be. Let's see how many other Democrats and members of the media follow suit.
[More]
Leading Bush critic at home calls Chavez a "thug"
One of President George W. Bush's fiercest political opponents at home took his side on Thursday, calling Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez a "thug" for his remark that Bush is like the devil. "Hugo Chavez fancies himself a modern day Simon Bolivar but all he is an everyday thug," House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi said at a news conference, referring to Chavez' comments in a U.N. General Assembly speech on Wednesday. "Hugo Chavez abused the privilege that he had, speaking at the United Nations," said Pelosi, a frequent Bush critic. "He demeaned himself and he demeaned Venezuela."
If this keeps up and if Michael Moore comes out to defend President Bush, then I'll know that I've entered "The Twilight Zone" or "Bizarro World."
UPDATE AGAIN (But this time from GM) Well, that didn't take long, for ole Tom Harkin (DIM-0-crat, Iowa) to up the ante:
Iowa Senator Tom Harkin, a democrat, today defended Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's United Nations speech in which Chavez called President George Bush the devil. Harkin said the comments were "incendiary", then went on to say, "Let me put it this way, I can understand the frustration, ah, and the anger of certain people around the world because of George Bush's policies." Harkin continued what has been frequent criticism of the president's foreign policy."
What an ass this man really is. What happened to politics stops at the waters edge?
[More Chavez Insults]
Oh, no! How bad can it get? Further talking about President Bush, Hugo Chavez said, "He walks like John Wayne." And, what's wrong with John Wayne? Chavez is producing more gas than Citgo.
Well, here you can see the kind of person that Hugo Chavez does like....

I'll take John Wayne any day, thank you.
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And just maybe, the Democrats don't disagree with Chavez one bit, but, and I know this is a big BUT, Charlie Rangel is running in probably the safest seat in Congress. The Democrats may well have run him out to call down Chavez and Ahmadinejad because of a perceived (and I think REAL) growning backlash about what Chavez said, to molify the conservatives as it were to keep them coming out and voting republican. Paranoid? You aren't necessarily paranoid if they are out to get you! :-)
Posted by: GM at Thursday, September 21 2006 05:21 AM (S60yG)
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G.M., I suspect that there is quite some truth in what you said. The typical American understands internal fights and hates outsiders getting involved. Maybe the Democrats got lucky and realized that it would be in their interest to take the high road on this, despite how they personally feel.
Posted by: Woody at Thursday, September 21 2006 05:28 AM (v5VVJ)
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Pelosi jumps into Charlie Rangels territory:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - One of President George W. Bush's fiercest political opponents at home took his side on Thursday, calling Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez a "thug" for his remark that Bush is like the devil.
"Hugo Chavez fancies himself a modern day Simon Bolivar but all he is an everyday thug," House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi said at a news conference, referring to Chavez' comments in a U.N. General Assembly speech on Wednesday."
G.M., we'e hitting on the same cylinders at the same time. --Woody
Posted by: GM at Thursday, September 21 2006 05:36 AM (S60yG)
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Rather than overanalyze, isn't it simpler just to acknowledge that Charles Rangel and Nancy Pelosi
did the right thing today.
When the sun breaks through the clouds, just enjoy it while it lasts. Take a break from grim calculations as you bask in the sun's rays and perhaps even daydream a bit.
Soon enough chill reality will intrude when the sun crawls behind the clouds again. But aren't we entitled to take some pleasure once in a while...
Posted by: civil truth at Thursday, September 21 2006 07:29 AM (9f35F)
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Civil Truth, indeed we are " entitled to take some pleasure once in a while...", but when the Democrats "defend" Bush, I smell a rat. While I'm delighted they did, I suspect their motives. I updated with the info about Tom Harkins "backing" Chavez, so maybe the "sun crawl(ed) behind the clouds." Gads, I wish it were otherwise.
Posted by: GM at Thursday, September 21 2006 08:55 AM (S60yG)
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Rangel's position is not only opportunistic but tis idiotic. Following his silly logic Bush or any other US president has no right to comment on the actions of any foreign leader in the world. In an interconencted world where the actions of the US government have an impact far beyond our own shores whyu should world leaders have to censor themselves. I forged my politics in south Africa as a member of the ANC in the struggle against apartheid. Most experts know acknowledge that Reagan's policies of appeasement and "constructive engagement", arm trades and de facto military support for overseas adventures, with the racist regime probably stalled political progress towards bi racial democracy by about a decade. In those times we were rightly critical of American policies which streghthed our enemies adn acted as a barrier towards social justics. Rangel should be embarassed
Posted by: Ahmed at Thursday, September 21 2006 09:47 AM (SZ1sN)
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GM, don't put the Democrats in a no-win situation, where they get criticized whether they attack or defend Mr. Bush.
The sun rays which give me some hope, fleeting as it may prove to be, is that I think Rangel and Pelosi were defending the office of the President rather than Mr. Bush personally. That distinction between office and office holder has become blurred or worse with the onset of BDS in the body politic. Perhaps Mr. Chavez has belatedly roused at least some Democrats to recognize the critical importance of defending the office of the President as the leader of our country despite disapproval with and/or dislike of the individual.
Based on his appalling speech, Mr. Harkins' next logical action is to mount a sign on his posterior on which is written
Kick Me!
Ahmed, you continue to show an inability to distinguish between legitimate diagreement on issues and
ad hominem attack (exampled here by Mr. Chavez).
Posted by: civil truth at Thursday, September 21 2006 10:38 AM (9f35F)
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CT, I'll grant you your point, but I'll really have to see much more support when it comes to the Democrats vice Bush before I'll agree. 6 years of carping on their part, agreeing with every Schroeder, Chirac and sundry others has taken its toll with me.
Posted by: GM at Thursday, September 21 2006 12:54 PM (S60yG)
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Excuse me CT but if i read Rangel's idiotic statement correctly he said that only Americans have the right to criticise their presidents. That it 's right restricted to them as oppossed to foreigners. Reread what he said then take another look at my principled objection. Under his logic the anti apartheid movement had no right to attack policies supported by Republicans at the time which provided political support to the apartheid regime couched in the langauge of "constructive engagement". My objection then has nothing to do with Chavez in particular but the broader point
Posted by: Ahmed at Thursday, September 21 2006 02:11 PM (Qk2nd)
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I agree with civil truth. Rangell and Pelosi did the right thing. Bully for them. Let's all hope that Chavez keeps talking. It seems to be shocking some folks back into reality.
Ahmed, I don't recall that any US president has gone into another country and criticised its leader in a public speech. Very simple distinctions seem to elude you in your zeal to squeeze in everything you'd like to complain about about the US.
As to South Africa - then your position would be that Reagan should have boycotted South Africa because it was a generally racist and mildly corrupt government run by white people, as opposed to the extremely racist and massively corrupt African nations run by black or brown people?
Posted by: Assistant Village Idiot at Thursday, September 21 2006 02:20 PM (1w197)
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Assistant Village Idiot,
Too true. For decades, the truly horrid treatment of black Africans by other black Africans has mostly been ignored.
It isn't PC.
Why?
Posted by: tad at Thursday, September 21 2006 04:40 PM (vFS/o)
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Not to get too nit picky but Hugo Chavez delivered his speech, on US soil, yes, but at the United Nations. That's a small but significant detail. As for Apartheid South Africa you really dont want to get into this discussion with me. The bi racial movement for democracy led by Nelson Mandela and the ANC was in my opinion one of the most profoundly insipirational and corageous social of its era. The apartheid regime was not "generally racist" as any foolk would know. Race governed every single human relation from voting rights, to the groupo area act, to where you could live, work and marry. It was a white supremacist, a regional bully, viwed by the US as an ally in the Cold War, which sought on numerous occasions to destabalise other regimes. More than that South Africa always pocessed far more resources and wealth than the tin pot dictatorships surrounding it. US policy, thankfully changed over time away from "constructive engagement" as awareness grew in the States. We can thank those in the civil rights movement, unions and progressives for thta. I still remember the noxious and repugnant Jerry Falwell returnong from his visit to Aparthied South Africa praising the banstutan system which the whole world knew was an absolute fraud. Today those on the left and right all acknowledge the strength and courage embodied by Mandela and the struggle he represented. Not too long ago though many in the contemporary right wing (Cheney voted agaisnt a bill calling for Mandela's release) were appeasing, supporting and financing his jailers
Posted by: Ahmed at Thursday, September 21 2006 05:53 PM (Qk2nd)
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GM, don't put the Democrats in a no-win situation, where they get criticized whether they attack or defend Mr. Bush.
Par for the course...
Posted by: e. nonee moose at Friday, September 22 2006 12:07 AM (LqapJ)
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Ahmed, Chavez also said the same things about Bush and worse in a church in Harlem, which is U.S. soil last the that I checked.
Also, I'm not an expert on this, but it seems to me that the new government of South Africa has been making a mess of the economic situtation there and has made everyone equal by pulling some people down rather than pulling other people up. How do you view it?
Posted by: Woody at Friday, September 22 2006 03:32 AM (v5VVJ)
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tom harkin is lucky he lives in the use because if he lived in the 2 countries of these disgracing animals that torn into our country and our beloved President Bush and spoke so bad and did not defend this country and Bush, mr harkin would be DEAD. it makes me and other americans wonder why he stays in the usa and why he serves in the senate with the thoughts and feeling he. we have the greatest gift of all, freedom and tom harkin abuses it, tom you need to go live in another country, SUPPORT YOUR PRESIDENT AND YOUR COUNTRY, DON'T BE A TRAITOR
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September 11, 2006
The Path To 9-11: The Left Is A Comedy For Our Times
The subject of 9-11 is frought with pathos. It is both a sad remembrance and an act of war. But, on the 5th anniversary of this tragic day, the American Broadcasting Company (ABC) has decided to show a production of a "Docu-Drama" called
"The Path To 9-11". Now, in and of itself, that is nothing remarkable, the history of the socalled "docu-drama" is long and comical for its historical inaccuracies and/or outright fiction, witness the productions of "
Death Of A President" in England for example (which many have defended on the grounds of "free speech").
Yet, let a shibboleth of the left be challenged (Clinton was a terrific - though perhaps oversexed president) and watch the fur fly. The reaction of much of the left is almost comical, nay, it is entirely comical and I'll take a few snippits from here and there to prove my point.
First up my friend Marc Cooper (a self identified "progressive") posts "The ABC's of Panderning" in which he states:
L.A. Times media columnist Tim Rutten perfectly nails the shameless shlockmeisters at ABC who think it's just spiffy to capitalize on the pain of the 5th anniversary 9/11 to broadcast one more manufactured piece of dreck -- a two part "docudrama" on the Twin Tower attacks powered by blatant right-wing spin.
Now, Marc is a friend of mine, and my 'blogfather' if you will and I highly respect him and his blog (though that does not apply to some of his more vociferous commenters). But gee could the rhetoric be more appalling, could the prose be a little more turgid? Understand please, as a progressive, Marc is no friend of the Bushes or the Republicans, but having said that, he is no friend of the Democrats either.
More amusing (if that is indeed the word) are some of the comments from that blog entry. This one for example:
NeoDude Says:
September 9th, 2006 at 9:14 am
When has Right-Wing Nationalists (SALUTE!!!), in any Western tradition, not exploit a national tragedy?
Oh gosh, "Right-Wing nationalists." Codewords for fascists perhaps? Oh, the humanity!
How about this one (if you are a fan of conspiracy theories you will LOVE this one):
r. l. c. Says:
September 9th, 2006 at 10:14 am
It really is obvious what happened here. These projects don’t get made overnight and when ABC Entertainment (NOT the news division) OK’ed this Bush was riding high - just been reelected and had increased majorities in both houses of Congress. And what were the pundits saying? Why the GOP wiould be ruling the roost for a long time to come and the Dems were in “Disarray” (a town near Vegas, I believe). So why not get in bed with right wing crazies? They would be in position to help the Mouse with issues like Intellectual Property and Media Ownership. Its not personal, just business.
(Hell Robert Iger was a Clinton Contributor, as were a lote of ABC/Disney Execs)
Sure the Dems would complain but what could they do? Well its now two months from an election that will probably produce a tsunami for them and the miniseries don’t look so hot now does it? That is what happens when you listen to experts!
Can you say "off base?"
But Marc's commenters are rational compared to others (although that is obviously not saying much). For example, Ann Althouse has a terrific post on some of these left-wing rantings here and she has a link pointing to something called "AMERICAblog" with some suggestions to sue, boycott etc Disney, ABC and Apple because of the so called docu-drama. A sample:
Certainly we're going to be live-blogging the show, Sunday and Monday. I'd appreciate those of you in Australia and New Zealand, if the show does air there shortly, please give us feedback as to what they cut and what's still in the show? It will give us a window as to what defamatory material Disney/ABC insisted on keeping in the show, which will help the lawsuits and our organizing.
Secondly, when the show airs in the US, if Disney/ABC still run it, I want to be sure a number of us are live-blogging it to list the defamation and the errors. If Disney/ABC insist on making a cartoon out one of the blackest days in America history, then we will hold them responsible."
Aren't these the same guys who "demand" freedom of speech on campuses and other venues? Does that apply only to speech from their side? Funny, I thought that speech was free for ALL OF THE UNITED STATES. I guess not. But I digress, as funny as the posting is, some of the comments (over 380 of them) are even funnier (or would stranger be a better word choice?) For example, this little bon mot:
I think iTunes is a really good place to hit Steve Jobs and Apple. It is direct and to the point, and it is not platform-based.
It is OUTRAGEOUS that they are offering this as a free download.
They would notice immediately if there was a slack-off in sales.
I have already written to Steve Jobs and the iTunes crew about this.
samia | 09.09.06 - 6:38 pm |
Wow, but this is mild compared to:
It appears that the governments use of the MSM for propaganda distribution is becoming extremely transparent. If we, as Americans, cannot stop this from happening, or becoming any worse, then we have lost the control of our public servents, and more drastic actions must be taken. Boycotts/leaflets/emails/videos/ demonstations etc.
Joe Danger | Homepage | 09.09.06 - 6:43 pm |"
Joe Danger, what a nom-de-pixel that is. Ok lets see, the government controls the MSM enough to make it a propaganda arm of the Bushies. So, how did the NYTimes sneak by with those "expose's" of our efforts to listen in to Al Qaeda or monitor financial transactions? Hmmmmm?
OK, how about this one:
As well as an organized and long-term boycott of Disney and ABC, we should use this opportunity to call for reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine.
nervesofsteel | 09.09.06 - 6:50 pm |"
OK, now
that really is scary. The fairness doctrine was less about fairness than it was a way to silence the broadcasters (radio and TV) from airing any "political" speech because the so called doctrine would allow opposing views time on air. General Managers would have a scheduling nightmare and we'd loose talk radio and have to go back to elevator music. No thanks! One more reason not to elect Democrats or liberal Republicans. Oh, and by the way, the above commenter's nom-de-pixel is "nervesofsteel" More like "nerves-of-tinfoil." What a frightened little bunny!
The latest (well, maybe not the absolute latest) lefty "talking point" (I'm being generous here you understand) is that this is NOT the same as Michael Moore's fatuous "Farenheit 9/11" which everyone now says was a "polemic." A polemic?
WordNet
po·lem·ic (p-lmk): adj : of or involving dispute or controversy [syn: polemical] n 1: a writer who argues in opposition to others (especially in theology) [syn: polemicist, polemist] 2: a controversy (especially over a belief or dogma)
Really, seems to me that at the time many on the left didn't see any controversy at all, it was truth and a terrific slam on the Bush Administration (note: Marc Cooper, always his own man,
saw it different and the vast majority of his commenters agreed - at the time, not now; now it's just a polemic).
Again, I digress, the whole point of this little exercise is to point out the utter insanity of the left in regards to this docudrama. Reminds me of the "revised" words of the Bard: "The left doth protest too much, methinks."
Cross posted at The Real Ugly American
Update, I've only scratched the surface of the left's response to "The Pathway to 9-11" but James Joyner at Outside The Beltway has looked at how "The Left Remembers 9-11." It's an excellent read and I'm in awe of his article.
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I can't handle the hypocrisy of the left.
It's just fine and dandy for Michael Moore to release a money-maker in the theaters and expound his brand of leftism, but it's not at all acceptable for ABC to show a FREE docudrama, with all the usual disclaimers (I'm guessing on that last part).
Of course, anything that doesn't fuel Bush Derangement Syndrome absolutely must be forbidden to air.
Now, for the real issue...The left doesn't want anything to air which might remind us of who did what on 9/11. We might become "Islamophobic"! Furthermore, we are AT WAR--the enemy is supposed to be demonized.
Posted by: Always On Watch at Sunday, September 10 2006 11:49 AM (GIL7z)
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Great post, LOL!
And true... Conservatives will register our disapproval while acknowledging the right of our opponents to free speech.
The left, on the other hand, breaks down into a quagmire of a hundred thousand scheming cabals fantacizing different ways to gag the opposition, and their political leaders get into a frenzy trying to misuse their congressional authority to stifle free speech.
I think an apt title for a book about today's Democrats would be "Party Without A Conscience".
Posted by: Seth at Sunday, September 10 2006 11:50 AM (4OJoa)
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I was right! ABC ran a disclaimer crawl at the top of the screen right before the film started. I'm watching it.
Posted by: Always On Watch at Sunday, September 10 2006 12:02 PM (GIL7z)
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Ah yes ... the Hipocracy Party (AKA the Democrats). Everyone has the right to free speech just so long as the message reinforces BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome). We really do need to remove these people from office. They are a major threat to our liberty, and have no place in a free society.
I'm a registered Independent, and these censorship antics have driven me solidly into the ranks of those voting straight Republican in this next election. May the Democrats go down to crushing defeat. I also don't like a one-party system either, but the alternative of putting them into office is magnitudes worse, IMHO.
Posted by: Vulgorilla at Monday, September 11 2006 03:30 AM (5AfaV)
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I watched the first part of the movie. Usually I don't stay up that late, but I had no trouble staying awake to watch every minute.
Expecting CAIR to object. Maybe they already have; I'll check CAIR's site.
I'll be watching the second part tonight.
Posted by: Always On Watch at Monday, September 11 2006 04:15 AM (GIL7z)
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G.M., the only sense that a rational person can make of liberals is that liberals are not rational and make no sense.
Consider these quotes from Ann Coulter. They spell out the hopelessness of dialogue with liberals.
“Liberals become indignant when you question their patriotism, but simultaneously work overtime to give terrorists a cushion for the next attack and laugh at dumb Americans who love their country and hate the enemy.”
"Liberals hate America, they hate 'flag-wavers,' they hate abortion opponents, they hate all religions except Islam (post 9/11). Even Islamic terrorists don't hate America like liberals do. They don't have the energy. If they had that much energy, they'd have indoor plumbing by now."
"Democrats cannot conceive of 'hate speech' towards Christians because, in their eyes, Christians always deserve it."
"One begins to appreciate why Democrats aren't wild about any political system that permits people to vote. Liberals would have no chance of advancing their bizarre policy agenda if Americans were allowed to have a say in the matter. So they manufacture phony 'constitutional rights' in which the Constitution always sounds suspiciously similar to the ideological agenda of the ACLU."
"This is liberalism's real strength. It is no longer susceptible to reductio ad absurdium arguments. Before you can come up with a comical take on their worldview, some college professor has already written an article advancing the idea."
"Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said any assumption that the US would not use force against North Korea would be a mistake. Such bellicosity frightens liberals. The left's reaction to nutty despots is: he might hit me, so I'll be nice. Rumsfeld's idea is: He'll hit me? Maybe I'll hit him. The beauty of that approach cannot be denied."
"'Stupid' means one thing: 'threatening to the interests of the Democratic Party.' The more Conservative the Republican, the more vicious and hysterical the attacks on his intelligence will be."
"Much of the left's hate speech bears greater similarity to a psychological disorder than to standard political discourse. The hatred is blinding, producing logical contradictions that would be impossible to sustain were it not for the central element faith plays in the left's new religion. The basic tenet of their faith is this: Maybe they were wrong on facts and policies, but they are good and conservatives are evil. You almost want to give it to them. It's all they have left."
"No matter what the evidence, liberals insist that only their tender ministrations are capable of calming murderous dictators. Negotiation and engagement are said to 'work' because, after Democrats spend years dillydallying with lunatic despots who threaten America, eventually a Republican president comes in and threatens aggressive military action. In a fascinating fifty-year pattern -- completely indiscernible to liberals -- murderous despots succumb to 'engagement' shortly after a Republican president threatens to bomb them. This allows liberals to hail years of impotent negotiation and engagement as a foreign policy 'win'."
Liberals never argue with one another over substance; their only dispute is how to prevent the public from figuring out what they really believe. Meanwhile, it is a source of constant alarm to conservatives that the public will not understand what they really believe."
"If you can somehow force a liberal into a point-counterpoint argument, his retorts will bear no relation to what you've said -- unless you were in fact talking about your looks, your age, your weight, your personal obsessions, or whether you are a fascist. In the famous liberal two-step, they leap from one idiotic point to the next, so you can never nail them. It's like arguing with someone with Attention Deficit Disorder."
Posted by: Woody at Monday, September 11 2006 11:56 AM (v5VVJ)
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I think the objections are fairly simple, though distressing, to understand. Many people have a framework of how things have gone wrong. The data in this film doesn't fit that framework. Therefore, it must be the data, not the framework that is wrong.
All people with opinions do this to a certain extent, and few of us change our minds overnight. What is worrisome from the left is that they do not seem to be affected at all by contrary information. Reasonable people, when confronted with something completely at odds with their beliefs, take more modest positions. They resolve to explore the data more closely. They seek out advice from people they know to be intelligent. They might modify their views somewhat, acknowledging that their favored position has some soft spots, even if it is basically truer than the alternatives. They examine the assumptions that went into their original framework.
We do read some folks on the left who do these things. But not enough, not by a long shot. Most of what we see is a continual retrenchment in the old positions, refusing to acknowledge any possibility of wrong.
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Posted by: Raven at Monday, September 11 2006 12:25 PM (S/UQw)
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Hiya GM!..u made my day by commenting at my site!..thank u for your support during Sept 11..too bad the lefties in collusion with the Mainstream mafia and now the networks chose 9-11 to defame and distort yet again..and this surprises us WHY?..great post!
Posted by: Angel at Monday, September 11 2006 01:43 PM (Q3CPK)
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AVI - I read your comment at "captainsquarters" after his post of his opening speech at the recent panel discussion he attended. It was so well put, I think I'll give you the biggest kudos of the week and copy it here as I think GM, Woody and others will see the wisdom in it:
"I'm glad you brought up the Civil War in the discussion. It is a salutary reminder that wars are seldom clean, straightforward affairs. The war in Iraq has been judged according to a standard unknown in history, both in the expectations of moral rightness and the execution of the war. Our moral justification is great, but no nation behaves entirely without evil , and no enemy is completely without some fair complaint.
But noting that there is no black and white in the world of nations and conflict does not mean that all grays are the same. Refusing to make such distinctions is to refuse to make moral distinctions in the real world at all.
There is much speculation on the right of what drives these false dichotomies of the left. Is it pure partisanship? Is it a failure to understand moral distinctions? Does the hope of swaying the political debate cause people to make statements in more extreme form than reason supports? Are there hidden motivations which prevent certain facts from being recognised?
Perhaps it doesn't matter. Perhaps there are never going to be more than a few who honestly disagree and seek to discover the truth in each other's presence."
Again, kudos, sir. And thank you for a cogent and reasonable point.
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September 01, 2006
Liberals: Crow and Frogs Legs for Plame Banquet
Regarding claims and investigations about
Valerie Plame and
"Smokn' Joe" Wilson (and, I'm not saying what he smokes), imagine, for a moment, that a Republican had made charges against the Democrats similar to those that Joe Wilson and the Democrats made against the Republicans. Well, we would expect that the major media would have buried the story in that case. So, I'm not surprised that major media is burying the revelation that, as many knew, Joe Wilson, himself, was the one
most responsible for exposing his wife's role with the CIA--and, oh yes,
lying about his Iraq report.
Liberals Imagined Sign of Guilt at White House
But, somewhere away from the front page, the Washington Post comes forward to set things straight.
We're reluctant to return to the subject of former CIA employee Valerie Plame because of our oft-stated belief that far too much attention and debate in Washington has been devoted to her story and that of her husband....
I bet. Just like all the liberal Democrats are reluctant to return to the subject now that they've been proved wrong. But, major media didn't thinik that too much attention was devoted to claims with no proof before.
Then, the Washington Post does offer this accurate summary after, naturally, suggesting that high level Republicans must still be guilty in some fashion even absent a conviction. Note that the summary rightly goes beyond the initial charge of who identified Ms. Plame and addresses the fact that Joe Wilson also lied about his report on Iraq shopping for uranium, for which Christopher Hitchens received flak (to put it mildly) with his evidence, as did I whenever I referenced Hitchens' columns.
Nevertheless, it now appears that the person most responsible for the end of Ms. Plame's CIA career is Mr. Wilson. Mr. Wilson chose to go public with an explosive charge, claiming -- falsely, as it turned out -- that he had debunked reports of Iraqi uranium-shopping in Niger and that his report had circulated to senior administration officials. He ought to have expected that both those officials and journalists such as Mr. Novak would ask why a retired ambassador would have been sent on such a mission and that the answer would point to his wife. He diverted responsibility from himself and his false charges by claiming that President Bush's closest aides had engaged in an illegal conspiracy.
Exactly. However, the paper doens't address who is supposed to reimburse taxpayers for the needless costs of the grand juries and the special prosecutor's investigations against our highest government officials. Would that be Joe Wilson or the Democratic Party--both who profited from the lies? Shouldn't the losers pay?
Then, the Washington Post offers this polite way to end the discussion on Joe Wilson:
It's unfortunate that so many people took him seriously.
Unfortunate, indeed.
And, just who might have been among those who were telling everyone to take this seriously during the Presidential election? Could it beeeeeee Satan?! No, but that's close. It might be the Washington Post, the New York Times, CNN, CBS, etc.--not to mention the Democrats, Moveon.org, and every left-wing blog. How "unfortunate" that they got this wrong. Perhaps, they will do a better job of helping to restore the good reputations of those damaged. Don't hold your breath.
May I suggest a better a more appropriate way to end this matter. If you're one of those liberal Democrats who made outrageous statements against Republicans on this matter, follow these instructions.
(1) Print out this post.
(2) Write the word "crow" boldly across it.
(3) Eat it.
I like my way better.
Oh, and if we really want justice on this matter, let's allow Joe Wilson to have his wish:
Wilson wants leak culprit 'frog-marched'
Whoever released the name, Wilson said, "potentially engaged in outing a national security asset. "If that was determined to have been a crime, I would love to see them frog-marched out of the White House," he said.
Joe Wilson, can you say "ribbet?" Those frog legs could be your own.
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I am also remembering the Doonesbury panel which purported to show what an utter fool Bush was for believing in the yellowcake theory (this just after Wilson made his accusations).
What is Trudeau's 30-year record for retractions?
Posted by: Assistant Village Idiot at Friday, September 01 2006 11:36 AM (1w197)
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So, here I am, living in Carson City, NV, no computer, and...just thought I'd pop in and
say howdy. Hope you two reprobates are doing
well.
Woody, sorry 'bout the Braves. GM, same with the
Sox. Can the Dodgers hang on???
Posted by: Jim Hitchcock at Friday, September 01 2006 11:48 AM (FZC0q)
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Jim, how great to see you back. both Woody and I have missed you even if we are a couple of reprobates. I know what you mean about Woody's Braves, but I'm not sure what you mean about the Sox, after all, we are only 8 games back... plenty of time. LOL
Posted by: GM at Friday, September 01 2006 01:16 PM (S60yG)
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May I suggest that all of us old country boys go crow hunting this week. Dress out the kill, freeze it solid and ship it to your favorite 'impeach' the president member of congress. I'm sure they've ate so much crow in the past couple of days that they are running short in D.C. A buzzard or three day old road kill may be substituted for several of them.
Posted by: Scrapiron at Friday, September 01 2006 06:53 PM (fEnUg)
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Hi, Jim! Did the LA Airport expansion push you that far out, and don't they have internet access in Carson City? (How did Al Gore overlook that?) Thanks for checking back. I often wondered how you were doing.
The Braves' streak of 14 straight division titles is over. The only people buying my tickets are fans of the teams playing us so that they can enjoy watching our bull pen destroy us.
On the subject, I found this link at Dr. Sanity's.
National Review Online
It's pretty amusing because Joe Wilson, in a letter to the Democratic Underground, is now changing his stated purpose to more closely resemble what we said all along--rather than his being upset about his wife's exposure, it's really all about the politics.
He says,
"I want to let you know how much Valerie and I continue to be buoyed by your support and your dedication to getting the truth out and holding the administration and its lackeys accountable for the terrible policies they have foisted on our country and on the world. We must keep fighting."
The left is now talking about how the civil suit will bring out the truth. This ain't O.J., folks. Maybe we really do need "loser pays" on suits like this. But, watch those in denial play up the civil suit and keep an eye out for all sorts of motions weeks before the fall election.
Maybe Joe Wilson should be more concerned with a criminal indictment agaisnt him from a grand jury if there was really justice.
Posted by: Woody at Saturday, September 02 2006 12:54 AM (v5VVJ)
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"We're reluctant to return to the subject of former CIA employee Valerie Plame because of our oft-stated belief that far too much attention and debate in Washington has been devoted to her story and that of her husband...."
Hmmm. Just doing a quick Google search of the Washington Post ALONE for the word "Plame" nets 4790 results. So what they're basically saying is that Washington should never have engaged in so much debate because it's the sole job of our media to try, convict and execute their imagined "suspects"?
WaPo, thy name is hypocrisy.
Posted by: Oyster at Sunday, September 03 2006 02:30 AM (YudAC)
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