1 That's almost too funny to comment about! Why I'm not going into psychology like that author: While I do like making certain people groups laugh, I'd more like to make them think. Ah well.

2

One of the more risible pillars in the Soviet's totalitarian edifice was the claim that dissenters were, by definition, insane, since the regime's commitment to ``the people'' was unassailable.

Wingnuts go to great lengths to avoid debating their opponents positions on merit.

3 TSEH, toss out a position, I'll be glad to post and debate it on the merit.  Leftwingnuts by the bye, have a decided lack of humor.  Oh, wait, the author already said that!

4

Thank you kindly for the link GM, it's much appreciated.

TSEH proves my other, oft noted contention that Dem/Lib/Progressives have no sence of humor, in addition to having a verifyable psychosis.

5

Well, GM, you operate the blog, so it's kind of up to you to keep the focus on positions, rather than on lame attempts at belittlement.

Here's a position to debate:

The surge in Iraq is a success only because the U.S. abandoned the Cheney-Bush mythology that categorized all insurgents as terrorists.

The success of these tribal leaders shows exactly why a U.S. withdrawal in Iraq would in no way constitute a victory for Al Qaeda. Rather, it would be a victory for the majority of the insurgency, which comprises tribal and religious militia headed by people like the Shieks now leading the Awakening tribes, with U.S. backing and the Al Sadr brigades, who have agreed to a ceasefire and are, for the moment, nominally allied with the U.S.

Prior to the surge, the U.S. propaganda consistently labeled the insurgents terrorists and, in fact, the Cheney-Bush political line still does, even though the U.S. is now arming and cooperating with many of these very same insurgents.

Apply that reality to the bigger picture and you can see that the lines between who is "for us" or "against us" in the Middle East are not at all clear.

The binary Bush formula of "You are either for us or against us" is disastrous as demonstrated by the fact that abandoning that position is the only reason for the qualified success of the surge.

 

 

6

Tater Salad's question just proves the neurosis of liberals about Iraq.  EVERYTHING has to do with Iraq. 

Tater, if a team is using the passing game in the first half with little results but switches to the running game in the second half and wins, are you going to deny that they won and only focus on the early action? 

Being a good coach and leader means that you make the half-time adjustments necessary for victory.  On the other hand, if you had your coach, you would expect him to tell the team in the locker room that they didn't do well in the first half, so pack it up and take the bus home rather than finish the game.

7

Wood,

Thanks for making a comment on Iraq.

The problem with right wingnuts is that they think war is like a football game. Cheering is an integral part of winning, they believe, and there are only two teams and only one winner and one loser.

Of course the reality in Iraq bears no resemblance whatsoever to a football game and cheering has little or no effect on the outcome.

It's quite possible, likely even, that all sides will lose the war in Iraq. No one will win. The terrorists who weren't even in Iraq until drawn there by the war may well be banished by the Iraqi insurgents.

But that wouldn't be a victory for Iraqis in the broader sense, since it would merely bring them to a security situation similar to that before the war. Moreover, it certainly wouldn't be a victory for the U.S. because everyone would know that it was the insurgents themselves, not the U.S. that defeated Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia.

The war in Iraq is financially unsustainable as well. Cheney-Bush's unilateralist approach has alienated longtime allies and left the U.S. taxpayer footing the bill almost entirely by themselves. This is shameful and needs to stop.

Other countries in the region and among wealthy nations have an interest in a stable Iraq. At the moment, they're staying out of it because they want nowhere near any project led by Cheney-Bush.

Perhaps a new president will be able to renew the global alliances the U.S. once had and relied on so effectively in previous conflicts. More important, a new president may be able to execute a clearly policy with regard to democracy.

As it stands, the U.S. supports the biggest, most powerful non-democratic countries in the region, with no discernible effort to use that support to compel democratization. People who pay attention, and know nothing of American football, can easily see that the U.S. doesn't support democracy in the region. That needs to change and, hopefully, it will.

 

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"Of course the reality in Iraq bears no resemblance whatsoever to a football game and cheering has little or no effect on the outcome."

Tater, contests have common elements, and there are similarities--motivating the players being one.  Telling soldiers that they are dying in vain and that they are losers isn't any way to inspire them.

It's too bad that liberals controlled the White House for eight years and didn't solve all these problems that existed then and that you bring up now.

It would be better to be an American first and a Democrat second rather than the other way around.

 

9

Woody takes an extremely patronizing attitude toward U.S. soldiers.

I've known a few and they are well sophisticated enough to understand that free societies will not necessarily cheer them on.

These men are motivated by professionalism and commitment to their fellow soldiers. They don't need or want cheerleaders telling the war is being won when they can see with their own eyes what's going on. They're smart enough and educated enough to know that the political goals of the war aren't what they're being paid to achieve.

On the other hand, what the soldiers I know do resent is the easy fake patriotism of chickenhawks. They resent being sent back to Iraq for additional tours by political leaders who never fought themselves and can't be bothered to even ask their constituents to consider enlisting.

Soldiers are a lot smarter than you give them credit for, Woody.

 

 

10

I never questioned the intelligence of our soldiers, Tater, so you can drop that phony red herring.  The fact is that you are questioning whether or not our soldiers have human emotions.  However, their intelligence makes them believe in the causes for which they fight and witness the results first hand rather than believe the negative liberal press. 

I know from all of my friends who served in Vietnam the emotions that they felt when the John Kerry's and Jane Fonda's led attacks against "the baby killers."  You're wrong if you think that those professional soldiers weren't affected by that.

People of all types and all professions respond to positive feedback better than negative attacks--and, that has nothing to do with IQ.

11

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