October 19, 2008
I made a mistake and commented over at Marc Cooper's to the same left-wing radicals whom I was determined not to bother with any more. I know better and G.M. is helping me with a twelve-step program for this irrational compulsion. Sorry. However, a commenter who lives in Europe couldn't believe a couple of my views about Democrats, for which she repeated two sentences, so I answered her--with my last comment. My last one. Really. I mean it.
First her comment.
Francheska says:“Seeing how hard Republicans work and how much they are expected to pay for everyone else, maybe they are stupid. Just wait until the high wage earners are finally taxed so much that they give up and the gravy train stops for lazy workers and dead-beat Obama rally participants.”
“In looking at Marc’s picture above, I noticed that most of the crowd had their hands out, which explains why they weren’t at work or looking for jobs.”
I know Woody is just looking to rile someone up but, is this what republicans really think of democrats? Being constantly surrounded by people who lean pretty far to the left all my life, and now living in Europe, I’m still shocked by people who say things like this.
Next, my response:
Woody says:Francheska, yes I really believe what I said about Democrats. I do. I've lived long enough to see that political party for what it is.
I'm not saying it to get a rise out of anyone. In fact, I wish that no one replied to my comments, because the attacks here are generally stupid or lack defendable merit. Don't even respond to this.
The Democrats include two major components--stupid, lazy voters wanting something handed to them that they don't want to earn on their own and dishonest politicians who take advantage of those same voters to fulfill a lust for power.
Democrats don't have principles. They attack their own nation and convince people that we are bad to stir up dissatisfaction, and then they promise to "spread the wealth" by taking from the productive side of society. The Democratic Party thrives on envy and hate--and stupidity. Good job on those teacher union run, government schools, guys.
For non-monetary associated votes, Democrats lower societal standards by catering to immoral groups with promises of laws for special funding and benefits.
Come to think of it, the motivations of Democratic candidates applies to most journalists, too, who are left-wing--just cater to like minded idiots so as to feel important about "making a change."
I've had enough of their change, and I don't want America to be like Europe. People have come to the U.S. from other countries for over two-hundred years for freedom and opportunity. Now, those incentives will be gone after we become the anti-business, weak on defense, tax and spend welfare state that the Demorats push.
For us who love what has been great about America, there is no where left to go. All the good lands have been taken over. We can't leave a ruined country like we ran to the suburbs from cities that Democrats ran down. We can't hold onto our hard-earned money, because the Democrats use the force of the gun (while trying to take ours away) to confiscate that money. Universities teach our kids to reject parental and religious values in favor of "enlightened" views, that have proven fatal to civilizations over the millenniums.
I reject the big-government, nanny state and wish that the people who want it would let the rest of us keep this last place to live in peace and freedom.
It's too bad that the masses don't know more about history and Western Civilization to appreciate what we have and to not cause us to face the same fate of other nations, destroyed from within.
It's too bad that true patriotism, held by conservatives, may be lost once Democrats change this nation into something not worth loving and fighting for.
Now, I better stop before G.M. reads this and tells me that I'm wasting my time again. He's right, but I wanted to explain to you why I feel about Democrats the way that I do.
So, that's it. I pray that people wake up and appreciate what we have before it's too late. God bless America--and, forgive us for turning away from Your guiding hand.
So, do many of us feel the same or do you have a different perspective? Francheska and people fooled by left-wing politicians could use some answers. They might even have the potential to learn. Just maybe.
But, if you're going to answer the question, do it here. You would be wasting trying to reason with the rest of the radicals over there. If you don't believe me, just ask G.M. Otherwise, he might have a twelve-step program for you, too.
Authored by Woody
[UPDATE] Marc Cooper responded and feels "happy" for me. I don't think he really means it. You decide. Click on "more..." below to read the rest.
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First, my addendum before Marc's response.
Woody says:Just in the interest of historical accuracy….
Marc: Some 100,000 determined anti-Americans, pro-terrorist factions, militant pro-choice women, anti-Wall Street fanatics, Negroes, drug-hazed youth, and other anti-social elements coalesced today in St. Louis around Arab Muslim leader Barack Hussein Osama in what police estimated was the largest political rally in American history.
Larger Anti-American Rallies:
April 24, 1971 - Vietnam War Out Now rally. 500,000 call for end to Vietnam War.
September 19, 1981, Solidarity Day march. AFL-CIO organized march to protest Reagan Administration labor and domestic policies. 260,000 march.
April 25, 1993 - March on Washington for Lesbian, Gay and Bi Equal Rights and Liberation. Organizers estimated 1,000,000 attended the March, but the National Park Service estimated attendance at 300,000.
October 16, 1995 - Million Man March.
April 25, 2004 - March for Women’s Lives - pro-choice march; between 800,000 and 1,100,000.
If liberals could turn marching into paying jobs, they would have a lot of money that they earned.
That’s all.
Marc had this to say in response:
Marc Cooper says:Having helped organize the 1971 Vietnam War Out Now Rally in 1971, Im aware that it — and other such rallies– turned out more than 100,000. What happened in St Louis was the largest CAMPAIGN rally that anyone is aware of.
I never respond to your political comments as I find them mostly pointless and vindictive. Also, they are so far out of the mainstream, it is gard to tell at time how much of what you write is merely satire. But to imagine that people are lazy because they merely vote Democratic is simply sad. I know plenty of the laziest, ne’er do well fat ass greediest people around me vote Republican. I’m also going to take personal offense if you don’t mind. Because I have plenty of people in my own family who work like devils and vote Democratic. Why dont you can such cheap stigmatization of people with whom you simply disagree.
You realize, of course, that if even half of what u say is true, then your beloved America would be the most f**ked up place in the world. A full falf or more of the USA would be populated with disloyal, stupid, lazy sheep who are ready to sell the country out to terrorsists and tax them selves to death. Do you really have such a LOW view of Americans?
Just as an historical footnote, this sort of loathing for the American people you demonstrate is exactly the attitude that inspired the Weatherman. Back in the 60’s when other sectors of the left fancied themselves fighting for the interests of common Americans, the Weathermen argued that those same Ameicans were selfish, lazy, spoiled and were living off the labor of had working poor people around the world. At one pont, the Weathermen adopted the Maoist slogan of Serve the People to read Serve the People, S**t!
You would have fit in perfectly. You have the same scorn for half of america as ayers did.
I dont know whether to eel happy or sad for you because of the coming Democratic tsunami. I suspect the proper response is happiness– I think you wil relish your role feeling oppressed and ripped of by an administration supported by shiftless characters as Obama and Colin Powell and all those other welfare cheats and layabouts.
Now, my response:
Woody says:Gee, Marc. I wish that you hadn’t responded to me, especially in the way that you did, because now I have to discredit your remarks.
It’s funny to think that a socialist/Marxist like youself would find my views “out of the mainstream.” If you’re mainstream, then we’re too late to save this nation.
Marc: to imagine that people are lazy because they merely vote Democratic is simply sad.
You have cause and effect reversed, Marc. People aren’t lazy because they vote for Democrats. Rather, they vote for Democrats because they are lazy. You can bet that the stupid, unemployed people signed up by ACORN aren’t voting Republican.
Now, understand that it’s not “disagreement” that causes me concern with Democrats. I disagree with people on other topics. However, this one has severe and long-lasting effects on my life and those of my kids. I would say that doing something “for the children” justifies outrage to those who would force them into a socialist society.
And, Democrats are not Americans who would tax “themselves” to death. They want to tax “other Americans” to death–which never means them. Liberals are particularly generous with other people’s money, and they are big on being envious of people who do something with their lives.
Just wait until Obama supporters don’t get all of their promised tax cuts and wealth re-distribution, after all the Obama spending programs are passed. Why, just pretending to solve the phony problem of “global warming” would cost trillions of dollars and millions of jobs. I’m sure that Obama already has an excuse made up for this.
Regarding the Weathermen, their problems weren’t with people like me. Their problems were with themselves and their twisted views. They weren’t victims. They were terrorists who refused to respect America and our laws. I guess that you view people like me as to blame for 9-11, huh? Do you excuse Islamic terrorists by blaming decent Americans as easily as you do 60’s and ’70’s radicals?
And, Bill Ayers and I don’t have anything in common. At least I would be sorry today for bombings and murders if they were in my past.
Oh, since Obama claims to only have brief associations with Bill Ayers, you might want to check out Obama’s review of an Ayers’ book and see that they also shared an office for three years. I guess Obama “forgot.”
Your first sentence said “largest political rally,” which is what I what I referenced, unless you don’t consider marches on Washington to be political.
You should feel sorry for me and for hard working, decent Americans if Obama is elected. The work of our forefathers, who founded this nation on freedom and a vision for a great nation, will be undone when the Democrats turn it into a big government, European style, welfare state that controls all aspects of life.
Please study Roman history for a little more insight. We’ve seen your plans before, and they failed.
Now, please forgive me if I don’t respond to any more of your attacks. Just like Joe the Plumber learned, people who aren’t in the Obama camp find out how vicious the left-wing can be–and wrong.
Didn't I just write something about not trying to argue with and attempt to convince left-wing fanatics? G.M., do you have a thirteen-step plan?
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Listen to G.M. !
Stay away from Marc's site. It is a waste of time.
By the way, I agree with 98% of all your postings and ideas, as well as G. M."s.
I don't think Obama is going to win!
Posted by: Bonnie Spolin at Sunday, October 19 2008 01:25 PM (62CZp)
And Marc's reply to Woody
Woody
Having helped organize the 1971 Vietnam War Out Now Rally in 1971, Im aware that it — and other such rallies– turned out more than 100,000. What happened in St Louis was the largest CAMPAIGN rally that anyone is aware of.
I never respond to your political comments as I find them mostly pointless and vindictive. Also, they are so far out of the mainstream, it is gard to tell at time how much of what you write is merely satire. But to imagine that people are lazy because they merely vote Democratic is simply sad. I know plenty of the laziest, ne’er do well fat ass greediest people around me vote Republican. I’m also going to take personal offense if you don’t mind. Because I have plenty of people in my own family who work like devils and vote Democratic. Why dont you can such cheap stigmatization of people with whom you simply disagree.
You realize, of course, that if even half of what u say is true, then your beloved America would be the most fucked up place in the world. A full falf or more of the USA would be populated with disloyal, stupid, lazy sheep who are ready to sell the country out to terrorsists and tax them selves to death. Do you really have such a LOW view of Americans?
Just as an historical footnote, this sort of loathing for the American people you demonstrate is exactly the attitude that inspired the Weatherman. Back in the 60’s when other sectors of the left fancied themselves fighting for the interests of common Americans, the Weathermen argued that those same Ameicans were selfish, lazy, spoiled and were living off the labor of had working poor people around the world. At one pont, the Weathermen adopted the Maoist slogan of Serve the People to read Serve the People, SHit!
You would have fit in perfectly. You have the same scorn for half of america as ayers did.
I dont know whether to eel happy or sad for you because of the coming Democratic tsunami. I suspect the proper response is happiness– I think you wil relish your role feeling oppressed and ripped of by an administration supported by shiftless characters as Obama and Colin Powell and all those other welfare cheats and layabouts.
Posted by: Ahmed at Sunday, October 19 2008 01:41 PM (f+XBb)
Ahmed, I'm happy for people to see Marc's reply. In fact, as you were posting it here, I was adding it to the bottom of this post at the same time. I can't say that he distinguished himself very well. But, people can decide for themselves.
Some of us love what makes America great, and other people hate that and hate the fact that successful people within our system prove their philosphies wrong.
Posted by: Woody at Sunday, October 19 2008 01:57 PM (Eb/8J)
Posted by: Woody at Sunday, October 19 2008 02:08 PM (Eb/8J)
I find it funny that GM, who complain's ad nauseum about liberal victimhood, then leaves Coopers because people are too mean to him. Regardless, for the sake of fairness, I thought I should provide Marc's reply to Woody's reply. It's a keeper
Marc Cooper Says:October 19th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Woody: So I was right. You do feel sorry feel yourself. That’s quite amazing. Look around yourself and count your blessings and you think you are on the short stick of things in America? Or worse, that you’re now gonna become some sort of victim because the Democrats will be in power? Wow! If only the Democrats had that much ambition. You’re a CPA, dude. Do some research and see under which party the stock market has historically done better (the Dems). Were u in a gulag during the Clinton administration? Were your earnings expropriated by Hillary? If I’m not incorrect, the marginal tax rate went up by about 2% in the top category — and was still MUCH lower than it was under your heroes Reagan and Nixon.
One place we agree is that we don’t much like Democrats. You however hate and fear and stigmatize them. I think they’re too much like Republicans.
But here’s something to think about as you begin a prolonged spell of victimhood and pouting:
If the Democrats are so feckless (and I pretty much agree) how is it then they have won the sympathies of enough of the electorate to stage the sort of electoral tsunami all rational people expect in November?
Answer: the gross incompetence, hubris and general fucked-upness of the last 8 years. Two unresolved and troublesome wars, a bankrupt treasury, billions of handouts to a crashed corporate financial system, 7% unemployment, a a drop in real wages and record foreclosures. That doesn”t include for those of us who are soft headed enough to cherish democratic and constitutional values the legalization of torture, the chipping away at habeas corpus, the Oval Office occupied by a C minus student who boasts of not reading, and a presidential candidate who has picked a certifiable, screeching nitwit as running mate in time of war. If this all had happened on a Democratic watch, you would be gleefully crying “treason.” Instead, you lash out and attack the 50% or more Americans who are tired of this. You accept no responsibility for the swamp in which your party has submerged. None. Sero. Zip. I would call that intellectual welfare, my friend. You want a free pass and accept NO individual or collective responsibility. The American people aren’t lazy. They’re disgusted.
if you want to know why the bass-ackwards Democrats are on the verge of victory, you need only take a glance in the mirror. The politics you blithely defend have mobilized millions of more Democrats this year than any Barack Obama. Congratulations. Mission Accomplished.
I say this with no edge, anger or animosity. You are always welcome on this blog — no matter how delusional your point of view. We will need minority voices like yours in the years to come– provided jack-booted Federal Troops led by Bill Ayers don’t come to take you and yours away to a San Francisco Gulag. (After, that is, they have texed you into bankruptcy and forced your children into mixed race homosexual marriages!).
Marc Cooper Says:October 19th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
P.S. Woody.. if you know were Joe the Plumber actually lives you might call the Ohio tax authorities. Last we read he was a deadbeat who owed $1100 in state taxes. Why should hard-working folks like you and me have to make our tax obilgations while paying for layabouts like him? Why don’t you tell him to stop pissing away his time at political rallies of candidates he doesnt even support and get his ass back to work so he cam pay his taxes like you and I do? Joe The Deadbeat.
Posted by: Ahmed at Sunday, October 19 2008 03:29 PM (f+XBb)
Ahmed: "I find it funny that GM, who complain's ad nauseum about liberal victimhood, then leaves Coopers because people are too mean to him."
Ahhhh, Ahmed... just goes to show that you only see what you want to see. I left Marc's site (and I told him personally first) that I couldn't stand the unremitting cursing and castigation of any thought that wasn't leftish. Especially the cursing. I use an occasional foul word myself, but they are few and far between. Go read reg and just count the four letter words... That is why I left, no other reason whatsoever.
Besides, you are still here aren't you? That should tell you that I don't object to argument or criticism... you dish out plenty of both. I could care less if I was being treated mean. I cared about the language and that is all. And if you don't believe me, ask Marc!
Posted by: GM Roper at Sunday, October 19 2008 04:25 PM (tLNCB)
Ahmed: "...deadbeat who owed $1100 in state taxes."
And you know he was a deadbeat because? Not a family medical emergency? Not a disputed tax estimate under appeal? Not any other reason other than he is a deadbeat?
That is the problem with you progressives, you bitch at we conservatives for making assumptions but have no compunctions about making those same kinds of assumptions yourselves. Shame!
Posted by: GM Roper at Sunday, October 19 2008 04:28 PM (tLNCB)
Thanks for the heads-up, Ahmed. To continue my gradual withdrawal, I did leave this response in response to Marc's response.
Marc, you have illustrated that government can really mess up. Both parties do it. Bush fouled up. He didn’t veto big spending bills that he should have. But, he had to take a lot of actions and handle problems that we have as a result of inaction by Clinton (Iraq) and the Democrats (CRA/economy).I agree that government fails, and big government fails bigger. That’s why I think it should be smaller and allow more local control and individual freedom–and require more personal responsibility. There are no lessons better than experience.
In looking at party choices, I don’t like the Republicans, I really don’t like the Democrats, Cynthia McKinney is a Green communist, Bob Barr’s Liberatarian Party is not acceptable, Ralph Nader is anti-business, Curtis Lemay was the only good thing in the American Independent Party, and the Federalists closed down a while back; so, I was stuck with today’s Republicans.
But, I’ll consider the recommendation of these pundits, as long as their version is more like that of Jefferson’s. VIDEO
Without much elaboration, I despise the Democrats from a long history going back to Govs. Big Jim Folsom and George Wallace (who said there wasn’t a dime’s worth of difference between the Dems and Repubs.)…city Democrat Bull Conner…FDR (agggghh), LBJ, Carter, and Clinton (particularly his Supreme Court appointment, Attorney General, and act of treason with China)…to Democratic controlled Congresses that have taken sides with communist movements, cut investments in our very own defense, and love to tax and spend…to Obama, who attracts masses with promises of taking money from the haves and giving it, even as refundable credits, to the have-nots, who are usually in their positions because of their own bad decisions.
Obama could have taught LBJ a thing or two about vote fraud. He learned a lot from FDR about buying votes with tax money. He took after JFK in putting style over substance. He lies like Clinton.
Do you think that Obama will appoint Bill Ayers Head of Homeland Security?
And, it gets worse when many claim that Obama’s administration would be the continuation of Jimmy Carter’s. Should we send some hostages back to Iran on Inauguration Day to put things back where they were when Carter left office? Heaven knows, the economy is heading back to what he left us.
Posted by: Woody at Sunday, October 19 2008 06:04 PM (Eb/8J)
Posted by: GM Roper at Sunday, October 19 2008 07:32 PM (tLNCB)
Posted by: Woody at Sunday, October 19 2008 08:06 PM (Eb/8J)
Posted by: Woody at Sunday, October 19 2008 08:11 PM (Eb/8J)
Posted by: Woody at Sunday, October 19 2008 10:05 PM (Eb/8J)
You're as bad as I am. I've been on the wagon for over a week now, though. I left that blog because I get tired of hatred and derision directed at me. When I go over there, people go to a lot of effort to attack me personally, such as scrolling through old postings on my blog to pull up out-of-context things to try to discredit me with. Marc may say that we are welcome on his blog, but his own words in those postings say otherwise. The post is dripping with derision and disrespect.
The scary thing is that if Obama wins, people with those same hateful attitudes will be in power, enforcing the "fairness" doctrine and otherwise using real power to vent their hatred.
Anyway, I have a short term cure - something so addictive (at least to us engineers - don't know about accounting folks) that you will waste your time there and not go over to Marc's for some more insults.
Try this
GM - do you have any quick cures for video game addiction? ;-)
Posted by: John Moore at Monday, October 20 2008 09:15 PM (I5OVr)
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