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As I've said before, I'm glad I've already passed the 1/2 century mark...

 

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Many of us have been writing about this several years, now . . . and what GM is describing is no more than the product of multiculturalism, which has supplanted American Civics and classic (western) literature.  Teachers go through the motions of teaching Shakespeare, but the story is entirely lost on 9^th graders who have been sexually active for the past three years.  Plus (especially in Border States), students are bilingually illiterate, so reinforcing literature that produces good citizens no longer exists.  We no longer have time to teach robust American history, emphasizing the good of our ancestors but we have plenty of time to expose youngsters to Maya Angelou — which liberal relativists assure us is as valid as Ivanhoe or Last of the Mohicans.

 

Multiculturalism is the bane of Americanism.  It may be too late to reverse the wrong course our educational system has taken . . . so we should expect this kind of behavior to continue, or get worse.  The reconquista movement is a source of pride among idiots these days.  Where we are today is purely and simply depressing.

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Seems the U.S. has had to build fences between ethnically cleansed neighborhoods in Baghdad to make sure they stay "clean."

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I'm a free-market capitalist, so I don't think the government should be in the business of telling businesses whom to hire based on nationality or other factors not related to performance.

Of course we need border security to keep out criminals and terrorists. Making it simple and legal to immigrate for economic reasons would make it much easier to effectively police the border against people trying to sneak in sans paperwork for reasons other than working for a living.

Anyone who understands how markets work will know that the real source of the problem is the unrealistic wage differentials between Mexico and the U.S. As long as this exists, there will be an illegal immigration problem. A simple, market-based solution is to more strictly enforce penalties on companies that refuse to pay market-based wages and, instead, employ illegals to avoid taxes and market-level wages.

Illegal immigration would stop tomorrow if businesses stopped hiring people at below-market wages to widen their own profit. Workers who come here illegally are simply trying to feed themselves and their families. It's morally wrong to target them as if they were the primary perpetrators of the problem.

It's also a fantastically stupid tactic. Long, repeated experience has proven beyond doubt that targetting workers is expensive, inefficient and ineffective. Deported workers quickly return and most are not caught in the first place as they find it easy to work illegally and to remain in hiding for very long periods.

Start deporting business owners who knowingly hire illegals tomorrow and illegal immigration will grind to a halt by this fall.

Anyone with at least two brain cells can figure our that the logical target of immigration law enforcement should be businesses, not workers. Cops target drug dealers, not users, for the same reason.

Which brings us to the question of why so many wingnuts refuse to take on the issue of illegal employers, preferring instead to focus on workers and building walls. What is their motive?

 

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The real source of the problem is corruption in Mexican government and lack of motivation by the U.S. government to keep out illegals--who, as the the definition implies, are criminals...regardless of need or intent.

I've always been for penalizing businesses for hiring illegals, and there is a law to do that but hasn't been enforced by either Democrats or Republicans.

 

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Obama went to Harvard Law School (they don’t let just anybody in), where he became the first African-American president of the prestigious Harvard Law Review. He graduated magna cum laude in 1991. Now do you think he is NOT aware of what his church and ex-pastor are all about? Be AFRAID! Be VERY AFRAID!

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Compassion - and Sincerity

Ted Kennedy on why he supports amnesty for
those sneaking across the Rio Grande.

Likewise, he must have felt a personal connection with those who fell with the bridge into the Mississippi River. If only Sen. Kennedy could have been there to help. Maybe twenty people could have used him as a raft.

Compassion and sincerity must define the greatest swimmer ever from Massachusetts.

Via Denny

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Border Control

It's interesting that we make little effort to detect and stop illegal immigrants from coming into our country but have the resources to "catch" and falsely arrest one of our kids, who was returning from a trip to Europe.

Teen Jailed in Georgia Over Paid Ticket

Atlanta (AP) - A high school student returning home from a European soccer trip got a different welcome than he expected: He was jailed for eight hours over a ticket he had already paid.

Customs officials at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport checked Stephen Kelsey's passport Monday and found an arrest warrant for failure to appear in court on a ticket given for rolling through a stop sign.

Even though he had already paid the $175 fine, the 17-year-old was taken to the Fulton County jail.

"Somebody made a mistake, and here I am having to be handcuffed in front of my coaches, my mom, my brother and my teammates," Kelsey said.

Nice. A seventeen year old kid gets treated worse than an illegal adult. Where are our politicians and their compassion on this? Oh wait, the kid might take a job from a Mexican.

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My Two Cents Worth

[Editors Note] At long last, Joe Harvey has been able to settle down long enough to write his first post. Agree or disagree, comment and don't be disagreeable. - GM]

Having lived most of my life somewhere along the Rio Grande, the Latin culture runs deep in my blood, at least as deep as it can for a male gringo. But there are some realities we need to be honest about. We have winked and nodded for 50 years as undocumented immigrants have crossed our southernmost border and worked in our fields, food processing plants, textile mills, and other sweatshops. Some employers have treated them well, but most have not had to. Why? The reasons are numerous: there are some jobs we don’t want to do; we limit the work we allow our own children to do; we are materialistic, greedy, and sometimes perhaps lazy etc.

There are people that came here just to have a child so that child could have the privilege of citizenship. Families are a mix of immigration status. Some are allowed to stay on special visas that say they can live here with family but they are not allowed to work and earn money to help support and raise the children they have and or are having. Some of the families I have worked with even use citizenship as a way to enslave their own children. They will intentionally not file for citizenship or a social security number for a child born here or who immigrated here and had both older and younger siblings be aiding in gaining citizenship, but the “identified child” was never brought to meetings with authorities aiding the family. Why? Just like dysfunction within families of all citizens, a parent hates the child who looks like a lover who abandoned him/her or father who abused him/her.

Because we’ve poorly protected our boarders we have a 25-70 mile wide area along our border which seems it is a mix of U.S. and Mexico in its makeup, but it is nonetheless, U.S. and it is where the above occurs the most. It is where many of the underserved are mostly citizens of this country. This underserved area’s limited resources are drained by legal residents of both countries and by those of various immigration statuses in this “don’t ask don’t tell” zone.
At the same time there are now people trying to get in our borders who do not want to work hard but want to kill us, destroy our way of living (even the worthwhile part), and create as much mayhem as possible. Of course we have politicians of all stripes trying to do this as well. However, they have to be beaten down in civil ways. These others, properly known as terrorists, need to be kept out of this country.

While there are many complicated factors in all of this, I will not discuss them all, and I likely do not know or understand them all. Nonetheless, I see some realistic but difficult solutions, that can be done.

1. Build walls, erect cameras, and encourage citizens to report and stop anyone crossing any of our borders illegally. We have a right to protect our boarders and control who gets in and out of this country.
   
2. Line people up who are currently here illegally and give them 6 month visas. But keep track of their whereabouts particularly their exit. If they don’t make sure our authorities know they’ve left then they lose the right to return and if found here they are immediately deported, period.
   
3. If someone has family here they do not want to be separated from whether here illegally or illegally, if they are not a violent person or security or health risk, then give them a permanent family visa, which means they can live and work here. However, they will never be allowed to become a citizen and they will never be able to vote above the city level. I believe they should have some input about those who govern their immediate surroundings, but no more.
   
4. If someone wants to become a citizen they must leave the country and begin the process legally once their work visa is up.
   
5. We need to make our citizenship and visa processes more efficient for those playing by the rules and who have any skills we chose we want to utilize to be matched by those who want to come in legally.
   
6. A child who can prove they grew up here because of their parent’s choice or some other person who brought them here and has no knowledge of how to live in another country or culture should be given legal residence immediately and possibly citizenship immediately or an opportunity to become a citizen within 10 years if they remain a resident who does not commit a violent crime.
   
7. Businesses should be fined $25,000.00 per undocumented worker found at their business during the first offense. For the second offense, a fine of $50,000.00 per undocumented worker. The third offense leads to your company being taken over by the government/state for 5 years with a CEO and board appointed by them and/or it is sold or closed immediately. We need to highly discourage hiring illegal immigrants, without jobs, the flow will slow to a trickle.
   
8. We need to accept that this may cause us to turn towards unpalatable solutions such allowing our children to work in the fields up to two hours a day. Require our teens to work a job at least 5 hour a weekend. Nothing builds character and encourages children to earn good grades as picking cotton, chili, or cleaning toilets. If first period class at the local elementary school involved walking out to farmer brown’s filed to pick cotton or do something of limited danger then farmer brown could pay the school the money he’d normally pay the illegal immigrants. It might also help us with our obesity problem with school aged children.
   
9. If you’re born in this country of a mother who is not a refuge or of legal entry then you are not granted citizenship, and you and that mother should be returned to your country of origin soon as possible so you can grow up and learn the skills needed to live in the country that is your legal nation.
   
10. Once these rules have been in place for 6 months people will know that if they are found in this country without documentation showing that they are here legally then they will be deported swiftly (another problem that needs to be corrected—we have to be willing to put tax money into manning the implementation of such a program). This doesn’t mean if you’re not found before this that action will not be taken but we will not enforce everything fully and aggressively until after that specific date by which everyone will have had the knowledge and opportunity to leave or get identified as someone who wants to be processed properly under one of the above rules or legal processes already in place for those here illegally or who have overstayed a shorter visa.
    
11. If someone were abused by an employer or human trafficker they could also apply for asylum, but not necessarily citizenship.
    
12. Citizenship and the right to vote should be reserved for those who entered legally or who appealed to this nation for help and we chose to provide it.

Porous boundaries make for unhealthy dynamics in individual relationships, families, and nations.

Joe Harvey (that’s certainly not the rest of the story, but that’s how it could go if we were serious.)

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Welcome Immigrants

Why don't people like this guy slip over the U.S. border?

Mexican tycoon overtakes Bill Gates as world's richest man

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100 Years Ago

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
....................................................... Theodore Roosevelt 1907

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Death Of A Bad Bill

One of the greatest courtroom dramas of all time was Anatomy of a Murder., and over the last 48 years, I must have watched it at least a dozen times. Jimmy Stewart plays a small town lawyer who gets Ben Gazarra off of a murder charge by getting the jury to believe in an "irresistible impulse."

An Irresistible Impulse, one that far to many senators succumbed to in authoring and/or supporting a bad bill. Last week, America watched enthralled as the United States Senate debated, and ultimately killed the latest iteration of immigration reform. Earlier "comprehensive" reforms occurred in 1952 and again another in 1986. In the 1986 signing, President Ronald Reagan noted:

Distance has not discouraged illegal immigration to the United States from all around the globe. The problem of illegal immigration should not, therefore, be seen as a problem between the United States and its neighbors. Our objective is only to establish a reasonable, fair, orderly, and secure system of immigration into this country and not to discriminate in any way against particular nations or people."

"The act I am signing today is the product of one of the longest and most difficult legislative undertakings of recent memory. It has truly been a bipartisan effort, with this administration and the allies of immigration reform in the Congress, of both parties, working together to accomplish these critically important reforms. Future generations of Americans will be thankful for our efforts to humanely regain control of our borders and thereby preserve the value of one of the most sacred possessions of our people: American citizenship." [emphasis added]

"Regain control of our borders." Well, that didn't happen as any one with a lick of sense could have told you (and many of us did.)

The fact of the matter was that when you handed out citizenship to earlier illegal immigrants, you did exactly what Pavlov proved would happen. Reward a behavior and you will get more of the same, in this case somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 to 20 million additional illegal immigrants since 1986. That should be tattooed on the inside of the eyelids of every man and woman that wants to be a United States Senator, let alone on the inside of the eyelids of each and every current U.S. Senator.

The latest "comprehensive" immigration bill was fraught with difficulty, hence, the multiple votes on amendments to the bill. Each amendment as proposed was to "remove a significant fault" or to add a "significant enhancement" either to the bill, or conversely from the bill, and the American people were up in arms.

The media kept telling us that a "majority" of Americans wanted a comprehensive immigration bill, and that is probably true, but like always, the devil is in the details. Just prior to the final ignominious defeat of the bill, a Rasmussen poll showed some 70 + percent of those polled did not like this particular bill or its multitude of provisions for an alphabetized system of visas. Indeed, they were probably perplexed by the bill.

George W. Bush, Harry Reid, John McCain (who probably tossed his presidential candidacy into the toilet) and Ted Kennedy all fought for the bill and ultimately, the people said "no." And it is a good thing they did. As I commented on another site (see, I don't spend ALL of my time here):

I’m surprised (as perhaps were other) that Marc, who touts polls left and right doesn’t mention that the most recent Rasmussen Poll indicates that a majority of Americans (presumably legal ones) do not indeed support “the Bush backed plan to grant legal status” to the illegals rather, a whopping 74% oppose this bill, many on just those grounds (and this includes Democrats, Republicans, independents and not a few legal immigrants from Mexico and other Hispanic countries.).

You can call them undocumented workers, illegal aliens, illegal immigrants, or as the sublimely stupid Harry Reid said “undocumented Americans,” but the fact of the matter is that the majority of them are hear [sic] because of the last “flawed bill.” A flawed bill is not “better than nothing,” a flawed bill is bad law. [emphasis added, link to the exact quote added]

You read correctly, Harry Reid said, and I quote:

This week, we will vote on cloture and final passage of a comprehensive bill that will strengthen border security, bring the 12 million undocumented Americans out of the shadows, and keep our economy strong. [emphasis added]

By the way, Dennis Miller did a wonderful take-down of "shallow Harry Reid" here (via Glenn Reynolds) but I digress. Those who were interested in establishing a "legacy" by passing this bill were shot down by the blogosphere (H/T to Danny Glover) both the left and the right calling it a bad bill, by individuals of the left, right, center and no stance at all wrote, telephoned, faxed, emailed and otherwise let their Senator know that this bill was no damn good, and 50 Senators responded. Now, despite what you have heard, the vote was NOT to defeat the bill, the bill was "defeated" because Harry Reid pulled the bill from further consideration (feeling, I guess, that discretion is the better part of valor here). The actual vote was merely to cease debate or not to cease debate. If the vote had been for cloture (that is ceasing debate) then the Senate could have voted in the affirmative (passed the bill - in which case it would go to conference committee to hammer out any differences between it and any bill passed by the house) or voted in the negative which would have effectively killed the current bill.

A vote to continue debate would have added amendments, removed amendments or otherwise bastardized an already bastardized bill. But the underlying principle of rewarding behavior remains unchanged. Once again, gentle reader, if you reward (visas, citizenship, voting rights, pathways, what ever you want to call amnesty without calling it amnesty) a behavior (illegal immigration), you get more of the same behavior. The are only a few real ways to stop the inflow of illegal immigrants (and don't call them undocumented Americans please).

Adopt a draconian set of laws modeled almost exactly after Mexico's laws (and wouldn't that be a fine kettle of fish?)

Fines and prison sentences for anyone caught crossing the border a second time after already being deported once for illegal crossing.

Fines and prison sentences for those hiring more than a few illegal immigrants (big business has always supported illegal immigration, it allows them to pay substandard wages).

Changing our constitution to eliminate the "anchor baby" phenomenon, thus, if you're illegal, any offspring born in the United States would not gain citizenship by dent of being born here.

Please understand, I am not advocating any of these positions, I'm merely saying that we will never gain control of illegal immigration unless we adopt some manner of gaining control of the borders and the American people understood that, even if 45 Senators did not. It seems as though, for once, 50 senators listened to either their conscience or their constituents. And I'd have to guess that in the outpouring of disdain to the U.S. Senate an awful lot of Americans succumbed to an "irresistible impulse."

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