...Democrats fail to pass bailout when they have a majority.  They only wanted Republican Cover, they don't want to be in charge.  Pelosi blew it big time.  And don't let Democrats tell you that Republicans failed.  They didn't need one single Republican vote to pass this abomination.

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I'm amazed that I'm hearing that this will help Obama and hurt McCain.  Obama was running around the country, dividing the political parties, and ignoring his duty as a Senator, in favor of making speeches for a new job.  If you want positive change and good leadership, don't count on getting it from the "Axis of Weasels"--Pelosi, Reid, and Obama.

Posted by: Woody at Monday, September 29 2008 03:02 PM (Eb/8J)

2 What's that line "Clean up your own backyard?" - Before Pelosi says anything - she should make note of her "own group" of 95 reps who said no!

Posted by: chrys at Monday, September 29 2008 08:55 PM (8WmRg)

3 Wow...  you guys just overloaded the bullshit meter big time.  Stick your heads in the ground and pretend your team had nothing to do with it but only at the loss of what little credibility you once had.

Posted by: e. nonee moose at Monday, September 29 2008 09:43 PM (FnZBZ)

4 Moose, our guys had NOTHING to do with it... the Democrats CONTROL THE HOUSE, What part of that don't you understand?  The Dems didn't need a single Republican vote to pass that bill.  Not one!

Posted by: GM Roper at Monday, September 29 2008 09:56 PM (tLNCB)

5 Nancy Pelosi's speech, while it was extremely inappropriate, is NOT what caused anyone to vote against this bill.  The vote primarily broke down the way it did because of voter backlash.  Most who voted against it are facing re-election in November and none of them, neither Democrat nor Republican had the courage to step up and do something politically inconvenient for themselves for the greater good. 

Also, that "controlling the House" does not give the majority party the power to do ANYTHING it wants.  There will *never* be a 100% yes block vote on anything this controversial.  The only way something was going to happen was if Republicans stepped up to the plate along with the Democrats.  They didn't. They SHARE the blame on this, no two ways about it.

And I know you KNOW this GM.  You're not stupid.  Maybe you're just having difficulty accepting reality for what it is. 

Posted by: e. nonee moose at Tuesday, September 30 2008 07:01 AM (dlFaD)

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Moose, I'm not  disagreeing on both parties having some blame, but if Nancy Pelosi got up, didn't blast republicans and said "Hey folks, t his is important, this is an emergency and I back the President.." don't y ou think it would have  passed?  12 votes... only 12---

Tom Coburn said it best: 

“As much as members of Congress want to find scapegoats, the root of this problem is political greed in Congress. Members of Congress from both parties wanted short-term political credit for promoting home ownership even though they were putting our entire economy at risk by encouraging people to buy homes they couldn’t afford. Then, instead of conducting thorough oversight and correcting obvious problems with unstable entities like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, members of Congress chose to ignore the problem and distract themselves with unprecedented amounts of pork-barrel spending.”

Oh, the top four presidential candidates that got the most money from fannymae/freddymac?  In order:  1. Dodd; 2. Obama; 3. Kerry and 4. Clinton!  What does that say?

Posted by: GM Roper at Tuesday, September 30 2008 09:02 AM (1fjXG)

7 To be honest I don't know if the bill failing was a bad thing or a good thing.  Deemed by the initial reaction from Wall Street, it must be bad but now the market is trying to creep back up again like it always does.  I think at the very least we're looking at some 70's style inflation and the best we can do at this point is try to mitigate that in some way.  Maybe the bailout bill would have done that but maybe not.  These are very uncertain times.

As to Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae giving contributions to Democrats, I can compare this to oil companies backing Republican candidates.  Pot meet kettle.

Posted by: e. nonee moose at Tuesday, September 30 2008 10:35 AM (dlFaD)

8 , Hello kettle, glad to meet you! 

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Do you remember when the Democrats accused Ronald Reagan of an October Surprise that never existed but led to investigations by the Democrats?  House Speaker Thomas Foley (D) and Senate Democratic leader George Mitchell (D) said, "We have no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, but the seriousness of these allegations, and the weight of circumstantial information, compel an effort to establish the facts."  Wasn't that brilliant?  There is no evidence, so it must be worse than we thought. 

Also, do you remember Hillary Clinton's campaign warning Democrats back in May that they may face an October Surprise with Sen. Obama?   “We don’t know enough about Senator Obama yet. We don’t need an October Surprise. And (the chance of) an October Surprise with Hillary is remote.”  And, Democrats worried so much about Gov. Palin's vetting. 

This has led some to speculate that Obama would be the victim of an October Surprise about illegal activities, leading him to fall on his sword by dropping out and allowing Hillary Clinton to graciously replace him as the Democratic Presidential nominee in order to save the party.  That would take more scandal, backroom deals, and humility than normal, so, unless Obama is found dead with a gun in his hand at Ft. Marcy Park, I think that the next scenario is more likely. 

Obama running mate Sen. Biden, after using up his gaff allotment, may come down with a  sudden "illness" forcing him to withdraw and allowing Hillary Clinton to join Obama as his female sidekick and a "new and improved running mate."  Would she do it? 

Such antics by the Democrats are not new, as you may remember in 2002 when New Jersey Democrats replaced trailing and corruption ridden Robert Torricelli with Frank Lautenberg only fifteen days before the Senate election, and got away with it despite a fifty-one day legal requirement.  In fact, Obama had opposition disqualified when he ran for state and federal offices, so he could pull something similar on Biden, too.  One other option is that Sen. Biden would be found at Ft. Marcy Park.

So, what other October Surprise could there be?  Well, it's like the one for which the Democrats falsely accused Reagan.  Obama is accused of encouraging the Iraqi government to delay the pull down of American troops there, so as to allow him to use Iraq for political purposes.

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

So, there we have several scenarios of an October Surprise.  One, that of the Republicans, has been proven false.  Another, that of the New Jersey Democrats, was true.  The other three by the Democrats are possibilities, so don't be October Surprised if the Democratic ticket changes and Obama is found to have attempted to interfere with a more rapid pullout of our troops from Iraq. 

Thus, the score on October Surprises is Republicans -0- and Democrats -1-, but the Democrats are sitting with the ball inside the ten yard line primed to score again.

Oh, just one suggestion, Sen. Obama.  If Hillary Clinton does become your running mate, for your own good, don't visit Ft. Marcy Park.   

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